A new list to rip to shreds: Maxim's 30 Worst Albums of all Time.

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Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

''What exactly is your problem, Julio? You seem to go for the jugular more than I do! You got something you want to say?''

not really, just JOKING around as usual do u see blah blah...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

(Right on Alex, plus "All About You")

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

Richy said exactly what I was going to. I find Vitalogy to be Pearl Jam's most exciting, interesting, creative, and emotionally jam-packed album, a waaaay more mature album than Ten.

Otherwise, like Alex said, these are all quite easy targets. I mean, c'mon, who's gonna jump to the defense of a Yanni/John Tesh album or a Leonard friggin Nimoy album? Sheesh.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

This list is seriously all about flattering its readers. Like, "I don't own a single one of these albums! I guess I'm not a fag! Yes!" This is worse than those fucking commercials for Maxim hair dye. Seriously, the knowledge that this thing exists is fucking up my morning.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

I need to stop using the word "seriously" so often.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

I think "Vs" is twice as exciting, interesting, creative, and emotionally jam-packed as either Ten or Vitalogy. Vitalogy also has a problem with the song quality half-lifing through the album. It starts out great but each song (after the third track) is half as good as the one before it. And it gets diabolically shitty by the end.

and they spent months hyping "Yellow Ledbetter" and then they DIDN'T put it on the friggin' record! What was up with THAT!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

i actually found a few of the blurbs offensive-funny. the carpenters one in particular. (haha is the writing better/worse than vice? tighter for sure i think).

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

That Debbie Gibson album is great, "Over The Wall" in particular. Anthony's right about the Carpenters tribute album too - Babes In Toyland's cover of "Calling Occupants" is truly classic.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

hell with debbie gibson (which yeah is great and had hit songs too.. so there!) the tiffany has one of my fav. broken-heart songs of all time -- "we're both thinking of her tonight" (shit i shoulda put it on my breakup tape).

blurbs still are sorta fun tho.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yentl??? They didn't like Yentl?
O Maxim, I thought I knew you, but now it seems I really don't and maybe never did.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

The Carpenters tribute 's pretty cool overall, methinks.
And there's a coupla more problematic picks on that "worst of all time" list ('HIStory', after all, is partly a comp=not entirely bad; and instead of 'Monster', there should rather be 'Reveal').

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

the only ones that make sense are the ones that were ubiqitous enough to seem worse than they are. stuff like onobox is just anti-intellectual nonsense. and i don't even like yoko ono's music very much.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Otherwise, like Alex said, these are all quite easy targets. I mean, c'mon, who's gonna jump to the defense of a Yanni/John Tesh album or a Leonard friggin Nimoy album? Sheesh.

Well, not this Nimoy album anyway. But The Touch of Leonard Nimoy is absolutely sublime. His version of "I Think It's Going to Rain Today," makes me cry. That does not diminish your point, however. This list ranges from easy targets to just plain nonsense. You think anyone on the staff of Maxim has ever even listened to Onobox? Or is it just funny and cool to dismiss Yoko Ono's entire career by sticking her collected works on some idiotic "worst of" list? (To be fair, I've never read Maxim. But I'm pretty sure it sucks.)

If I Were a Carpenter is terrific, and includes my favorite Sonic Youth song ever -- "Superstar." And plenty of other records on here are just fine.

The whole damned list is a pretty easy target.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure a lot of these records are rubbish. But the question is - are they worse than the records that would be on MAXIM's Best 30 Records list?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

A bad record is fine, but in order for you to have a legit claim to hating a record, you have to be forced to listen to it, otherwise, what the fuck is your problem? Are you CHOOSING to listen to this crap?

To me, hating music is a non-starter.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

i do like the idea of EVERY maxim reader taking there oasis collection down to the second hand shop thinking "bbbbut i thought you liked them"

james (james), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

"who's gonna jump to the defense of a...Leonard friggin Nimoy album?"

I don't know if it's on that album, but that Bilbo Baggins song is off the hook.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know if it's on that album, but that Bilbo Baggins song is off the hook.

(Fulfilling my duty as token white guy 'round here:) Fo' shizzle my Nimoyizzle

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

i prefer yield to vitalogy.
And who the fuck are they to take shots at ace of base? I guarantee you at least 40% of their readership turns the radio up whenever they hear "don't turn around" or "all that she wants" (when noone else is around). i know i do (regardless of who's around).

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

Mmm, Swedish Reggae.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

for reference, the line that makes the If I Were A Carpenter review:

"No, here at Maxim we prefer to remember the late Karen Carpenter just the way she was—on her knees in the kitchen, face-down in the dog food bowl."

anyway i still think lad-mag music reviews (as opposed to hit-pieces) generally have a less rockist and more lifestyle outlook in the u.s., whatever sinkah's impressions of the english ones are.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

i'm talking more elle and cosmo really (which i occasionally read) less loaded or jack or FHM or arena (which i never do)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

I am among the 8 or so humans on earth that possess the Jesse Camp record (also a year in the life VHS video that I bought in my first rush-to-romance with eBay a few years ago), and it's not that bad....good power pop NY Dolls sort of stuff, actually has Rick Neilson from Cheap Trick on a couple, if I recall.....Better than the Shaggs.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

These are real good records, if anybody cares:

Michael Jackson - HIStory
Poison - Look What the Cat Dragged In ...
Rolling Stones - Emotional Rescue
Ace of Base - The Sign
Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin ...
Hanson - Middle of Nowhere
Debbie Gibson - Electric Youth /
Tiffany - Hold on Old Friend's Hand

chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

And yeah, the Jesse Camp one isn't bad, either. Definitely better than anything by Pearl Jam or Smashing Pumpkins or the Chili Peppers. (Probably better than anything by D Generation after their debut, too. Basically, it's a Hanoi Rocks album, when you get down to it.)

chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

yay chuck and sterling win the playground prize!

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

see also "you cheeky monkeys!"

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

I own the Ace of Base record. But really, Chuck, are you seriously defending Jesse Camp?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

I think Chuck has earned the right to say he has decent taste.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

i used to think chuck had good taste b/c he put "sansho dayu" as one of his favorite movies, but that turned out to be frank kogan.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

nb: i can tell them apart now.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

18. Huey Lewis & the News - Fore ... "How's that oat bran working for ya"

have they never read american psycho?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

With all the crap hitting the airwaves nowadays, how do they dare put Pearl Jam's Vitology as one of the worst albums of all time. My friends Maxim should be killed in the name of all that is righteous.

Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

1. Soundtrack of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

If I'm not mistaken, this album has both Aerosmith's take on "Come Together" and Alice Cooper's rendition of "Because," both of which should redeem the album from such a list.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

REM MOSTER? What the fuck. Why? I mean its not a masterpiece, but. This people must be destroyed!

Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

For fucks sake ams. this is so typical ilm. yay we'll tear the list to shreds because it disses on hippie noise and a comp with some indie bands! but we'll agree that 99% of the other stuff are crap but h8 on it anyway because its MAXIM and we're all ABOVE THAT.

grrrrr.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

?!!

is this the american maxim ?
either way somebody tell the twunts that diaz with her
fingernail in her mouth isn't sexi *at all*.

that pic of her twatted coming out of a niteclub
that was sexier.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway the fact that there isn't anything from limp bizkuit, kid rock,
backstreet boys, insync, britney spears, aguilera, makes this list a complete shit.

Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

there is not one record on this list i would listen to - therefore they are not wrong... these sorts of lists are pretty dumb though

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway the fact that there isn't anything from limp bizkuit, kid rock, backstreet boys, insync, britney spears, aguilera, makes this list a complete shit.

I'm guessing that's because, like Tom said above, this list is all about flattering the magazine's readership.....who invariably own albums by all the "artists" you just mentioned. It's meaningless.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

sterling my comments had nothing to do with the list so i've no idea what particular point you think you just made.

im just wary of chuck's self-congratulatory let's-hyberbolically-enthuse-over-what-we-imagine-others-think-is-utterly-disposable shtick, is all. it's like he's adopted a certain rhetoric for the sake of argument (and i wouldn't argue its usefulness in a certain context) and after he's won the argument he just. won't. stop.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

but we've been here before, i don't think this argument will be resolved. our noses are no doubt both turned up in opposite directions.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Same ignorant analysis you always make, Amateurist. Not even worth wasting time answering it this time, since you've never listened before and won't start now. Except: I singled out albums I LIKE, dammit. There's no shtick to it, and never was. So fuck you.

chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

So if they knew who the Shaggs were - would they be on this list or not on this list?

Same question for Metal Machine Music, The Flowers of Romance, ..

..and Jim Capaldi's "Daughter of the Night" , Elizabeth Barraclough's "Hi", Trickster's "Find the Lady", ..etc...

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

I think Tico Tico's earned the right to make references.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Richard and Karen’s flowery up-with-people optimism

!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

chuck you never have answered it, which is fine, because i've never phrased it in a diplomatic way. i don't doubt that you like those albums--i like some of them too--but that's not my point. my point is that your opinions seem to be dominated by puckishness and insouciance to the point of tedium. i'll take your insults gladly.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure the reason most of the above-named boy/girl bands aren't on it is (a) they need the latter for covers and (b) the list is three years old.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

For what it's worth, "Everybody Hurts" is on Automatic For the People.

I liked Monster. It is what it is. I traded an old roommated Siamese Dream for it and have never looked back since.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

lyrics may be important, but it helps if they're actually any good

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

besides, the crap stuff in 1998 was all that Thrill Jockey post-rock bullshit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

This last point I will happily agree with Anthony on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

custos, what is your attraction to that TT tag? i find it mildly annoying.

ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

The teletype tag is beeeeyoootiful. It makes what you're quoting look official, professional, clean and legible.
I have a policy. If I quote something said my an ILM'er I use Italics. If I quote something from "outside" the forum, I use Teletype. I think it's a good policy.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

i think it looks horrible, but don't let that stop you ;-)

ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

Okay. Let's try this instead:
How does this look to everyone?
(the above should look like a standard version of Helvetica.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

it's lovely.

i prefer comic sans though

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

eeeeuuuuuwww. Comic Sans always looks shitty regardless of the context. (I have a hundred Comic Book fonts on my system, and every single goddamned one of them is 100x better than Comic Sans.)
Besides, I think teletype might not really be a font, but a monospacing feature...or somesuch nonsense....that modifies a font.
I haven't done any experiments though.
(Heads over to the HTML Playground area)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

hey, i solved it on my end too - by choosing another font preference in my browser. so tt away, sir.

btw my browser overrides your helvetica font also

NOTHING BUT SWEET BEAUTIFUL ARIAL hehe ;-)

also btw my html book says tt stands for 'typewriter text'

ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

yes, tt tells your browser to use it's default monospace font

ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

HELLO THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT BRIGHT EYES IT IS ABOUT LOUSY ALBUMS

oh wait

maura (maura), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

scoobyists are those who pick "scooby albums". a scooby pick is like at the end of a scooby doo episode the evil dude is always revealed as the person so unlikely it HAD to be them. like "metal machine music" is lou's best album is a scoobyist pick. evenmoreso maybe "sally can't dance".

we used to talk about this lots back in the infancy of ilm.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:25 (twenty years ago) link

maura will you marry me

geeta, Friday, 11 July 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

la la la la la la!!!!

maura (maura), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:57 (twenty years ago) link

What? Why no Britney. Atleast Deborah Gibson did her own materail and looked cute. Now looks hot!!!

And what about Mandy Moore "So Real", "The Flying Nun" soundtrack, and "Kids Bop".

John Norton, Sunday, 13 July 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

"at least"

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
rv

rv, Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Pearl Jam - Vitalogy ... "I said no foam on that latte, zit-face"

i still like this review.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
Apart from Yoko Ono (who most critics don't even consider as important OR bad) there is no remotely tough target on the entire list. Most of the albums would be rejected offhand by almost every critic.

So much of Maxim's list consists of the most routine targets of the rock critics - Milli Vanilli, Hanson, Air Supply (#10 on Blender's "50 Worst Artists Of All Time"), Ricky Martin, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany. The albums by Dylan, the Stones and R.E.M. date from after they "sold out" or lost relevance.

Many critics really don't see grunge as actually relevent nowadays, so Pearl Jam is no tough target either.

Though he really does not attack tough targets, the intelligent amateur "janitor-x" (see "http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2AXIWOCL9XOMM/ref=cm_aya_ac_longdesc/102-0267016-6736903?see-more-desc=1") does realise how irrelevant people today understand these super-soft targets of Blender and Maxim to be. "janitor-x" believes the idolisation of the 1960s to be quite unrealistic and a betrayal of the roots of rock music. For him, the worst artists ever are U2, the Beatles, the Cure, R.E.M. (all eras), Rage Against The Machine, the Smiths, the Clash and Pavement. His views on music might be seen as rather narrow, but his intellignce betrays popular assumptions about metals fans - for one thing.

Julien Peter Benney, Monday, 9 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

ya wasted my time Julien Peter Benney, with your **janitor-x** scam.
that guy's a talentless bum.


6 of 27 people found the following review helpful:

gangstagangsta, January 12, 2001
Reviewer: A music fan

I'll say I was impressed with them's collection of songs. Perhaps the best gangsta rap album of 1965 this one must be picked up. the beats are so fat. Its all over now fet. Van Morrison is so phat. peace out ya'll

The Bells! The Bells!, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

None of these albums are bad.

billstevejim, Thursday, 22 August 2019 03:46 (four years ago) link

I remember liking <i>Fore!</i> "Doin it all for my bayyba" That song is funny.

billstevejim, Thursday, 22 August 2019 03:48 (four years ago) link

I mean Fore!

billstevejim, Thursday, 22 August 2019 03:48 (four years ago) link

All this talk about Conor Oberst upthread. That’s someone who fits the “Whose artistic legacies have declined in the past ten years?” thread like a glove.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 22 August 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link

There has never been a good “Worst Albums Ever” list.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 22 August 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link

Wow, what a dumb list. I mean it's Maxim, but still.

Dez Tekken (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 August 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link


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