according to most people on ILM, IDM is
the same as techno but with a little brian eno thrown in too.the same as jungle but with a little merzbow thrown in too.the same as electro but with a little ryuichi sakamoto thrown in too.the same as 2step but with a little cabarert voltaire thrown in too.
so how is my formulation any worse?
maybe you take some house, and throw in some disco, and throw in a little more, and throw in some emo-leaning new wave pop too, and suddenly it's no longer so acceptable to house DJs or house fans but suddenly it's so much more appealing to margin walkers (ie you know arthur russell but not rene+angela), to people who can't get over body music (same people who think japan's "ghosts" is better than animotion's "obsession"), to people who swing the big wood for meaningless phrases like "interesting textures" or "complex structures" or "well-developed songs".
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link
or disco fans or new wave fans, crucially...
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link
you've outdone yourself. sorry i brought you into this.
but seriously, wtf? people are abusing these genres for good and evil.. i just got conned into seeing Trey Anastatio tonight for $30 USD, have forgiveness... what hippy genre doth he fall into?
― hydrallus, Thursday, 3 November 2005 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, will all those making the revelatory argument that "IDM is a stupid term" please shush because all genre names are stupid terms.
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link
hahaha right 'meaningless'.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I'd happily call it home-listening techno and be done with it. Frankly 'electronica' I think is the real-world term for most casual fans of 'IDM' and much more preferable & practical.
― login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Stefan Koopmanschap (Electronic Music World) attempts to assimilate the definition of "IDM," an acronym initially coined as a mailing list via Hyperreal.org in the early 90s.http://igloomag.com/doc.php?task=view&id=1155&category=features
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:21 (eighteen years ago) link
It would be just subtleties in the production really. I'm sure for instance I heard a Backstreet Boys song with glitch-beats at the end. I'm sure the experimentation in riddims during the height of dancehall in 2003 is similar to what the IDM producers were doing a little earlier - stuttering beats, syncopated rhythms etc.
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeh but Electronica can be applied to Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Sneaker Pimps etc. At the end of the day, the term IDM has stuck and people (well people on the net) tend to know what you mean by IDM. People talk about "indie music" all the time, regardless of whether the band is on an independent record label or not. Anyway, IDM has become "snobby" music. A lot of producers these days do take themselves very seriously and their fans do laugh at so-called "stupid techno". It's not a good thing, but then I'd say "home-listening techno" isn't a very good term either because I listen to IDM on my walkman and I've even been to see it live. I don't see why people should be so offended by the term "intelligent techno", people know what to expect from this term.
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
wikipedia on IDMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_dance_music
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link
on preview -- Sociah T Azzahole OTM!
Wasn't "intelligent techno" more used in R&S days?
I dunno, that's fine too but I still think "electronica" is better suited to describing a wide net of music, that tends to lean in the direction of the arrythmic-to-less-danceable, less 4/4 based, and more diffuse/freeform/experimental.
― login name (fandango), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link
A term I quite like that I heard was "elec" which is good!
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 3 November 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link
True story.
― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Sunday, 6 November 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Has anyone ever made Nirvana IDM?
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link
since only been aware of any electronica for about a year, i understand this could all be dreams-will not take offense at being skewered.
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I always liked Jay Lesser's idea to call this stuff "supermusic"; you have to practice saying it in a German accent- "i don't make IDM, I make zupermusik" .
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link
to me, idm basically starts with warp artificial intelligence thing, and, yes, originally i think that was basically 'home listening', 'armchair techno', marketed that way, at least. a lot of crossover with the ambient scene, but i guess somewhere between ambient and techno. this is what, 92-94/5ish? to me it then seemed that the squarepusher/aphex/mu-ziq thing then just became more popular and prominent than the black dog/b12 end of things, to such a point that idm basically meant "whatever aphex, squarepusher and paradinas are doing"
its arguable that from 96 on, with all the people that were coming in then, idm is a genre that sits outside dance music, and is parasitic on current dance trends at any time (not a criticism necessarily), so jungle, gabba, ragga, miami bass all coming into the mix, and moving away from that 'armchair techno' definition. (basically any number of punkrave type nights play bastardized takes on all those genres, then, increasingly, the 'real' stuff itself, which is why it sort of sits outside)
i dunno, basically i think idm is basically indie music with laptops, but, you know, theres nothing wrong with this!
― terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:42 (eighteen years ago) link
haha, i'd take the villalobos and hawtin myself tho;)
― terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 6 November 2005 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 10:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― moley, Sunday, 6 November 2005 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dare (Dare), Sunday, 6 November 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 11:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I'll confess I musta caught onto it late, but initially I thought the whole Electroclash thing was meant to be about making dance musix with a new injection of 'fuck you!' and art-school art/punk-ness (Chick On Speed, Peaches, Adult., etc)... not the kind of semi-retro sex/sleaze cocaine electrodisco thing that it seemed to be on further investigation.
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
I think where Vahid's frustration comes in is this inclination of people trying to claim on one music or the other as 'intelligent' when it's all potentially aiming for the same glory, whether on a 'serious project' or a DJ tool 12"
And the tendency for "experimentation" to go so far that it's missed the point and become unpalatable. Yet then is claimed as being inevitably "advanced".
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link
How come Post-rock can still rock, despite the implication in the language that it would be too good for that, and nobody gets a bee in their bonnet about it? Or maybe I just missed the bunfight w/r/t that one.
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link
-- dog latin
I probably need examples to answer properly here, but campness = a good thing, if it means messing with gender/sexual boundaries in a way mainstream music (rock or dance) usually avoids doing. And when it does occur people get upset and it's funny/liberating.
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
that aloofness from homegrown rave culture, that differentiation from it, the disassociation, i think thats what directly leads to the ironic/distanced criticisms of dill'n'bass/splatterbreaks etc, at that point a scene removed from 'real' british dance music, removed from jungle, yet parasitical upon it
i think as times gone on, that ironic/distanced aping of dance musics mainstream moves has become less and less ironic, and has blurred (as have many of the dance distinctions, the homecoming of the diaspora, in a way)
― terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 6 November 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 6 November 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― hydrallus, Sunday, 6 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
I am SOOO confused. What just happened?
Random telesales lady just called me on my work phone, asking if I was interested in going to an "IDM Conference" at the Barbican.
Sat on the phone for about five minutes as she babbled on at me trying to work out what on earth she was on about without demanding "Who are you, how did you get this number??!!???!?!" trying to work out what an IDM conference was and why someone would ring up my work phone number to ask me if I wanted to go.
I mean, I was honestly trying to think ... "eh? did they get my number off the South Bank Centre, as in, hey, this person's been buying a lot of tickets for Chris Cunningham and other Warp artists' shows, put her on an IDM spam list."
― Using an Aural Exciter in an Orgone Accumulator (Masonic Boom), Friday, 4 June 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Institute of Direct Marketing, I strongly suspect.
― Scelsi Hotel (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Richard D. James, keynote speaker
― Scelsi Hotel (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I forgot to mention I have a strict remit of falling between the years 1992-2002. that's the rules and I'm sticking by them
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
FSOL is your nu-god
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
Don’t forget spacetime continuum & spring heel jack
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
Some of the more hip-hop influenced Autechre tracks - "Lowride", "Eutow", "Draun Quarter", "Pen Expers"
― Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
Eutow YES everything else MEH
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
I have made a minor alteration to my Richard d James banThe very first track of the set should be Funny Little ManThe track played at the exact median of the set should be AFX 114 As above re: last track Those are the only rdj things allowed and they can only occur as directed above
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
i dunno that seems to open the floodgates to the Orb, Orbital etc
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 October 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
Basic Channel - Q1.1/I
― Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
I will probably end up playing a bit more pop-oriented stuff by the end to keep the throngs happy, so Orbital and Orb etc could well happen
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
"Frosch" by Mouse on Mars always seems to go over well. Particularly the edited version
dunno if any Autechre would fit, maybe "Slip" ?
― frogbs, Friday, 12 October 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
I'm definitely playing Arch Carrier. Possibly Slip
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
'Flutter'!
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, October 12, 2018 10:14 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
Actually I'm listening to the rest of the Anti EP now and it holds up suuuper well.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
tbh I have never witnessed anyone trying to dance to IDM. It’s not like I’m going to dance parties all the time (or ever) so I believe that it happens. But I’m having difficulty imagining it!
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
I would totally go to this to hear the classics on a sound system btw, sounds like a fun challenge to make a real dance set out of it.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
Oh yeah we all demand a recording of this right?
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 October 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
Lego Feet?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 12 October 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wraDrKHP0tEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZFmZ0gZNZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EDJmoGzYdchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCUN46Rb3Q4End with this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunWQAAVJBM
― DJI, Friday, 12 October 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwz7tvcYM10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LemWp3jIDlg
― Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Friday, 12 October 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
I recorded the whole set. It was rather low-key, thanks to a last minute venue change - just a small room in a pub. Still my friends and I had fun revisiting some of the classics and pissing off the locals.
This is a long mix, with three DJs basically swapping in and out from each other all the way through, so I don't have a tracklisting... but, enjoy!
https://www.mixcloud.com/doglatin/science-time-machine-edition-at-the-farm-pub-bristol-with-feedle-silverhaze/
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Sunday, 14 October 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
I was super surprised to see Leafcutter John show up on FACT's "Against the Clock" series. The track he comes up with is really nice, but I'm even more gobsmacked by how dude is making music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1cmWFP3f8o
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Sunday, 21 April 2019 19:30 (five years ago) link
i saw him using that light sensitive box at cafe oto in 2014. he was using blinking christmas lights as a trigger.
― koogs, Sunday, 21 April 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
(actually, it was 2012 - BEAM night, full of people using odd things as inputs. https://www.flickr.com/photos/marikakochi/6947759946/in/photostream/ )
― koogs, Sunday, 21 April 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
sure but Leafcutter J is no dillettante, he STUCK WITH IT
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Sunday, 21 April 2019 20:48 (five years ago) link
yes, and he's made a nice box for it (it was just wires in 2012). the idea / performance has stuck with me all these years too.
the other people were using things like iphone accelerometers and those elasticated bands they use for medical sensors, attached to his arms and legs so his movements were translated into music.
― koogs, Sunday, 21 April 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
video here too (LCJ starts about 1:50)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ1iUdQDCMY
― koogs, Sunday, 21 April 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link
I love the idea of random bleed between parameters, and of course inverting the normal "MIDI triggers pretty lights" to make the visualization the control signal.
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Sunday, 21 April 2019 21:15 (five years ago) link