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Answer to ethan's first qn: all the ones I really care about (and there aren't many of those). At same time, however, there is also the fear that the "new direction" will be something I hate. Example: Stereolab. I see their career as one big progression and so far, they haven't let me down. But I know plenty of former fans who bailed circa Dots and Loops because they were no longer getting what they wanted from the groop. (Contrarily: people who have never much liked them think they have been ploughing the same, dusty furrow their whole career. But those people are mentalists obv.) Point is, progression is always in the beholder's eye, and that perception is at least partly down to the degree of your initial involvement.

As for Drukqs, what I like about it is the sequencing of the record. It's the one album of 2001 (and I use that term instead of my customary 'LP' deliberately) that only makes sense if you play it all the way through in the prescribed order. Not that I've had the inclination to do that very often! We probably won't know unless and until RDJ deigns to release any of his more recent noodlings if this is just a self-indulgent nod to the influence of 'classical' composers (Delius, Stockhausen, etc.) and drum and bass, or if it's the direction he really wants to go in now. Personally, while I'll always be hoping he can repeat the Windowlicker trick, I'd be equally happy with more stuff along the lines of Gwarek2.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah i'm into drukqs but dont see the need for the second disc. kniow why that is? cos i havent listened to it basically. but the first one is well good. i fucking love the 7th track on the 1st cd, but its on 2.30 long! fuck that, its so lush!

oh well. that always happens to me. AND it bloody fades out, so is pretty hard to mix with.

ambrose, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i wonder if druckqs will be one of those albums that gradually gets the kudos and props that weren't there initially, until, one day, it is described as a classic (probably around the time of the next release, when people will say "man this, shit is just druckqs redux, now that was a cool lp"???

me? well, thanks for asking, i'm flattered. i thought it was, mm, ok, on release, but i've warmed to it gradually. i like it, theres a lot of it, you know, it probably takes a while to navigate your path (not discubumerate ya technique okay???). so, yeh, i'm lost now, sorry bout that. look, i'm just trying to say its a Geogaddi cousin, thats all

gareth, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ned, you're NOT gonna say you like the last record????

Not this again. ;-) Both Dan and I think it is very wonderful, thank you. Yay us!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, drukqs is great! Not enough progress? Baloney. Just one example: the prepared-piano tracks are more of a departure than most artists attempt on a new album.

o. nate, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Drukqs is overlong, no doubt, but I do think there's a pretty fair amount of progression in it. Basically, he doesn't let beats speed off into space like on Richard D. James, sort of forcing himself to wrap all those warp-speed breaks back into the rhythm.

Andy, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I think if a musical career lasts long enough, "bad progress" is almost inevitable" ---- What about David Bowie, super long career with all good progress.

A Nairn, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i really wish Mogwai would progress from being one of those bands with skips full of potential to a band capable of greatness.

and, no, they do not nessecitate the same thing.

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
I still love drukqs too.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i've obviously jumped on the ilm bandwagon about 4 years late. wilco used to be revered here!

and yeah, i like drukqs too

was actually my favourite until i was told i should be liking the 'ambient' stuff more.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Me too, I love it.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Drukqs is kinda shitty.

jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

And you should be liking the "ambient" shit more.

jimn (jimnaseum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

It suffered from not having a coherent direction. I did dig the piano jams tho, the other stuff not so much...

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if people's reaction to Drukqs depends on how much of an Aphex fanboy they were when they first heard it? i.e. those who were waiting with bated breath were more likely to be disappointed.

For me, it's got plenty of good things but it's the least interesting of the "proper" studio albums, no doubt.

It's Tough to Beat Illious (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I started liking it after some review pointed out that there is something coherent in there, piano things, typically followed by more typical Aphex things (or at least stuff a bit like RDJ), followed by thing that sound a bit like Japanese temple sort of stuff, like Nanou 2, for example. This isn't exact, but it did make me like it more, for whatever reason.

I pretty much thought it was shite when it came out.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's pretty exact! Noisy beats followed by short prepared piano piece and repeat. It works for me.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah this cd is good it goes in headphone rotation probly every 3-4 months for the past 5 years

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i havent heard summer teeth since i was in h.s. but it soundtracked alot of good times with friends, im sure its still pretty good

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

luff dis album (drukqs). prefer the tonality of the prprd. disklavier pieces to the prepared piano pieces of cage.

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

there is a good cohesion in the sequence of tracks, but unsure that it's not just a result of being familiar w/the album. it has a natural flow

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually just put the ambient/treated piano tracks on my ipod when I ripped it. To me that's a fantastic album and the one he should have really released. If it'd been like some of the Analord stuff I'd have had more patience but it would've still added little to what would've been a very coherent album for him.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"I wonder if people's reaction to Drukqs depends on how much of an Aphex fanboy they were when they first heard it? i.e. those who were waiting with bated breath were more likely to be disappointed."

I got into Aphex Twin way late and sorta heard everything all at once. Drukqs struck me as the best. It's still my favorite.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i find drukqs to be his most listenable album.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hey yeah i never got all the drukqs hate when it came out. i thought there was a lot more going on in/with the drill tracks on drukqs than on richard d. james, and the prepared stuff is fantastic. i'm kinda meh on aphex in general though--love 'i care because you do,' squelchy early stuff, SAW 85-92, don't care for SAWII or richard d. james. i might pull out drukqs right now; it's probably been five years since i've heard it.

plan b: videodrome (fauxhemian), Friday, 9 February 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i think drukqs suffered from a critical short-circuit

friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Drukqs is every bit as unlistenable as Metal Machine Music.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you heard the entire album?

Zachary S (Zach S), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

and the race to post on the wit & wisdom thread begins

and what (ooo), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, besides the piano bits of course. Those are lovely.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I was a fanboy from 92 and I thought the quality of releases had been going down for a while when it came out. It has some good bits, particularly the piano stuff which is still great and some of the drill stuff was actually pretty good.

but... the drill stuff was already getting kinda old when this came out and he was looking to end his relationship with warp. I found the analord stuff actually pretty good and at least had a bit of a new direction.

hector (hector), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i like metal machine music.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 9 February 2007 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I keep replaying "Avril 14." Is the rest of the album this good?

Tape Store, Sunday, 21 October 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i finally picked this up a couple weeks ago. it's a bit of an inconsistent album, but i think there's some great stuff on it. i've not yet really digested disc 2 (which seems a little spottier) but disc 1 is excellent.

it kind of got trashed, it seems, when it was first released, but i'm quite happy i finally picked it up. it's a lot better than some of those early reviews made it out to be.

Mark Clemente, Sunday, 21 October 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Tape Store, it's his most complete album, however it was let down by the fact it came out about 4 years too late. Rather than a huge stylistic leap, it's a sprawling double album that concentrates on refining what he had been doing since 1996, so to seasoned fans who expected another wacky twist in the ongoing Aphex saga, they were to be disappointed. It has an awful lot of material, some of it excellent and a lot of it, well, awful. But that was always the idea with Aphex I suppose. It was never about being polished and more about the fun ideas. Throw it at a wall and see if it sticks, and if it doesn't chuck it in the pot anyway.

the next grozart, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link

"54 Cymru Beats" is one of his all-time best.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

The stretch between "vordhosbn" and "Afx237 V7" is great, but after that I usually turn it off or skip 7 tracks

robertwolf8080, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

You can makea a dinky 60 minute cut by ripping out all the whoops-I-left-the-tape-running moments.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 05:51 (sixteen years ago) link

grozart's response intrigues me; I'm going to buy this.

Tape Store, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

"Avril 14th" is like the best soundtrack piece Jon Brion never wrote.

jaymc, Sunday, 10 August 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i love drukqs

Creeztophair, Sunday, 10 August 2008 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i wonder if druckqs will be one of those albums that gradually gets the kudos and props that weren't there initially, until, one day, it is described as a classic (probably around the time of the next release, when people will say "man this, shit is just druckqs redux, now that was a cool lp"???

― gareth, Monday, March 11, 2002 8:00 PM

^^

am0n, Saturday, 5 September 2009 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

miss gareth :(

ian, Sunday, 6 September 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, I just noticed that my copy of "Druckqs" has a parental advisory sticker on it. What am I missing?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 September 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

It has a song called "Cock", no other reason really.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Sunday, 6 September 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Which I guess makes Richard James the only other act besides Frank Zappa (at least that I can think of) to get a parental advisory notice stuck on an instrumental release.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a swear on one of the tracks I think?

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah 'Cock/Ver10' has the word "cunt" on it

braveclub, Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah. All I could hear in my head was the Squarepusher track with "I'm the fucking daddy" on it.

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Jeez I bought my copy from Warp and I actually have a sticker somewhere that says "Come On You Cunt Let's Have Some Aphex Acid"

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

they should put the audio equivalent of an epilepsy warning on 'mt saint michel + saint michaels mount', feel like i could crash my car if it came on while i was driving

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 07:00 (yesterday) link

Recently, I was marvelling at some weird electronic effect on one of the Collapse EP tracks, and it turns out it's a sped up sample from a 1981 Britfunk record. Very hard to work out what he's doing... Drukqs is full of samples from 1970s records by all accounts, and I couldn't identify a single one of them despite knowing most of the records in question.

he's gone out to the Scottish countryside and settled down.

Yeah I wonder why he chose there (I think he's in Ayrshire or Kilmarnockshire; somewhere south of Glasgow). I wouldn't choose there and he's got a lot more cash than me.

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:56 (yesterday) link

Drukqs is full of samples from 1970s records by all accounts

Is this documented somewhere(?) First I have heard of it!

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:15 (yesterday) link

Yeah, it's here... Of course, it might be all made up!

https://www.whosampled.com/Aphex-Twin/

e.g. these from Taking Control:

When the Levee Breaks by Led Zeppelin (1971)
King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown by Augustus Pablo (1976)
Unwind Yourself by Marva Whitney (1967)

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:22 (yesterday) link

Thx! Wild... "When the Levee Breaks"(!)

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:45 (yesterday) link

Yeah I know... They're pretty much all weird—even the idea that he has actually listened to any music from the 1970s!

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:47 (yesterday) link

i feel like i'm taking crazy pills do you guys not know what breakbeats are

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:07 (yesterday) link

or where they come from

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:08 (yesterday) link

so its probably more he's sampling breakbeats that sampled these tunes not that he's perousing Marva Whitney records for samples

frogbs, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:11 (yesterday) link

Yeah, could be. Still, I like to think he's a massive secret soul boy

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:18 (yesterday) link

well i doubt he had to dig for it, it's a canonical b-boy break, as is basically everything he uses on the album

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:25 (yesterday) link

i promise you guys aphex twin has listened to marva whitney unwind yourself in its entirety at least a few times in his life this is not debatable

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:29 (yesterday) link

I guess I'm pretty uninformed, I didn't realize he used samples like that at all.

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:31 (yesterday) link

I can't help but wonder whether he's taking a bit of a piss by challenging people like me to strain to hear things in his music that literally aren't there.

Haha, yeah I can imagine that, but then I can imagine that I'm imagining that. It's pretty painful. I've forgotten the name of it, but there's a paradox that came up when I did AI back when no one cared about AI, including the people doing AI, where you cannot tell if someone is lying if they say they are a liar—I like to imagine him having a chuckle at that.

Re: the Cheetah stuff, I know what you mean frog, though there is a slower version of the CIRCLONT stuff from Syro available (interview tracks—goes on for ten minutes) and it does sound similar, but not sure it's quite the same.

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 20:25 (yesterday) link

Re: b-boy breaks, yeah I found that surprising too, partly because it doesn't really sound like it at all, like all these late 80s records that did that did—I mean I can't hear Led Zep even although I'm told it's there, but also partly because I don't think he did much of it before or even since, but I may be missing it—does he use canonical breaks on all his other records?

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 20:36 (yesterday) link

Ha, Aphex Twin definitely uses breakbeats. In the case of that Levee Breaks one, he's just using them as one-shots and using the texture, not the groove. I don't know that I would have ID'd it pitched up like that. But the Marva Whitney one is clear, ghost notes and everything.

Sometimes he doesn't use breakbeats! Often the drum sounds are pretty clearly synthetic. But, say, Come to Daddy has real drum sounds mixed in there, so he clearly took them off some record or other. Pretty sure the new stuff (Blackbox Life Recorder) has some as well.

I agree that it's surprising to hear a breakbeat longer than one hit in his music, usually the drums are so meticulously chopped up out of tiny samples (whether they originally came from breakbeats or drum machines).

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 20:58 (yesterday) link

i think the drums on most of his 90s stuff were programmed, even when he was channelling the jittery spirit of dnb on hangable auto bulb or whatever he was usually doing it with sequenced single hits, he got heavier into using classic canonical ultimate breaks and beats type loops on the later stuff - druqks, syro and the tuss - though yeah he chops and layers the hell out of them usually to the point of inscrutability

that led zep id might be absolute bullshit though i don't really hear it either

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:26 (yesterday) link

he chops and layers the hell out of them usually to the point of inscrutability

Yes, SHIP OF THESEUS. It would be quite in character for that to be the case.

I'll need to listen again for the Marva Whitney one—can't say I had noticed, but then it's also so massively out of context.

One thing I did hear/learn recently was the bit in I think Taking Control, where his mum is saying "Would you like a blackcurrant drink?", and now I learn that many years later, as a clear fan of blackcurrant drinks, he has married a Ms. Rybena.

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:35 (yesterday) link

poking around further on whosampled i realized he actually flipped two different breaks from the same marva lp on drukqs

https://www.whosampled.com/sample/261703/Aphex-Twin-Taking-Control-Marva-Whitney-Unwind-Yourself/
https://www.whosampled.com/sample/350772/Aphex-Twin-CockVer10-Marva-Whitney-Things-Got-to-Get-Better-(Get-Together)/

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:40 (yesterday) link

it is probably instructive to think of drukqs as his most direct engagement with dnb/jungle production modes (vs dnb aesthetics on rdj/hab/c2d) - bringing in more breaks, doing everything in a tracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAZo7x83it4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WeKUEL6GNE

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:45 (yesterday) link

also i think the collapse 'britfunk' sample you mentioned is actually from a us freestyle dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhgmX903oh0

so much pre idm dna is buried in random '80s dance dubs

Who u? I don't kno u (noz), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:52 (yesterday) link

No it wasn't that. It wasn't from whosampled though, it was some YouTube video I watched about Aphex samples, I think. It had some film of the original, which I think I remembered from the time, and was quite obviously just the same thing but maybe doubled in speed. When I'm in a better place to do so, I'll see if I can find the video.

Keith, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:00 (yesterday) link

Man I loved composing with trackers back in the day. It really did feel perfect for making drum and bass and hyperactive percussion editing.

octobeard, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:04 (yesterday) link

This isn't a Britfunk track and I certainly don't remember it from when it came out, but I think this might the sample I was referring to on the Collapse EP (video should be set to the right time)—I would have to have got most of the facts wrong though, although that is entirely possible. If I come across something more fitting, I will post it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWqRlAXGn-4

Keith, Thursday, 25 April 2024 10:32 (three hours ago) link

i think ilm strips the time parameters

Collapse is about 7 minutes in

koogs, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:40 (one hour ago) link

Haha, you mean I stripped the time parameters! To be fair to me, I dunno if YouTube has time parameters when I wrote it.

Keith, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:50 (fifty-eight minutes ago) link

Very polite of you though, A.

Keith, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:50 (fifty-eight minutes ago) link


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