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"The bands I'm aware of who have attempted to cover the Joke (usually with shite results) are: Metallica ("The Wait"), Foo Fighters ("Requiem"), Icehouse ("Love Like Blood"), Helmet ("Complications"), Godflesh ("Requiem"), Amen ("Europe"), the Mad Capsule Markets ("Wardance"), Love like Blood (lamentable Goth band take who not only butchered the song, but sullied its good name by adopting it as their moniker)."

Teeheehee. I was briefly in a band called Requiem once and we were every bit as awful as you'd imagine a band with a name like "Requiem" would be. I bet you can't guess what KJ song we used to cover....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

The one time I saw KJ, was at the Student Union at Edinburgh University (aka the Health Centre). Apparently they band performed some sort of body fluid ceremony before going on stage and the police were called as they covered themselves and the dressing room in smeared human excrement.

Anyway, this would be, uh, first album ish - maybe late 1980 / early 81 and I thought they sounded like the early Banshees with a mad bloke singing. Thats not a bad thing, in fact they were quite good but a bit limited and one dimensional.

The support band were called Boots for Dancing and I liked them loads.

Oh and KJ were great doing The Empire Song on TOTP the week of the Falklands.

Alexander Blair, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

So much talk about KJ that you made me get my "Laugh? I Nearly Bought One" copy... THE SKY IS TURNING RED. BODIES!!!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

See? It's not just me!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh my god, you're creating an army of Killing Joke goths. I feel so dirty for listening to them now.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

eee-EIGH-TIES!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reprinted from my original post to The Gathering for your perusal/dismissal/scorn/empathy/inevitable derision/whathaveyou:

After a hellish afternoon of dragging more of my shoddy belongings into a crypt-like storage space way the hell over on the far-flung frontiers of the West Side of Manhattan, I sluggishly popped into "Rebel Rebel," an age-old record store in the Village just on the slight, unlikely chance that....maybe.....possibly...just a lark....maybe in a blue moon fluke....

HOLY SHIT, THEY HAVE IT!!!!!

I am now the very happy owner of THE UNPERVERTE PANTOMIME?, and am thoroughly bedazzled by its comparitivley crystaline sound (I can now retire my long-suffering cassette edition of the original bootleg) and *ABSOLUTELY STRIKING* packaging (battle-helmets off and fists raised in righteous exhortation to the estimable Sir Michael of Coles!!!!). AAGGHH! I haven't been this excited about a disc acquisition in more time than I care to think about. Where do I begin?

Visually:
Well, for a start, for those of y'all out there who want the skinny on ever last detail, the back cover (....as I'm assuming everyone has seen the front cover by now)...features the illustration that graces the cover of the bootleg (or at least the copy of the boot I have), that of a despondent jester massaging his furrowed brow in a leafy glade. The inner booklet is designed in much the same collage motif as graces the inner sleeves of LAUGH?I NEARLY BOUGHT ONE and WILFUL DAYS compilations, featuring many candid shots of the band goofing around (yes, there is indeed a shot of Youth taking a leak) and a couple of shots of Jaz sporting some truly dubious facial hair. Any regular peruser of Mike Coles Studio C site will recognize some of the live shots contained herein, the band all looking much younger and fresher than they invariably do today (Geordie...not just with hair, but LOTS of it, Youth in a stylish UNKNOWN PLEASURES t-shirt, Big Paul with a can of....er..Colt 45). There is an enticing account by Alchemy mainman Carlton P. Sandercock (a surname I'm guessing he caught a handy amount of grief about in his school days) which I'll let you discover on your own (as I'm not about to type it out), but it closes with the entirely welcome post script: "Oh Yes, there is More!"

Sonically:
I'm only on the my first spin-through, but suffice to say, to hear some of these tracks (previously only filtered through poor quality tape hiss or compressed like freeze-dried foodstuffs into a comparitvely stifling MP3 format) is a glorious revelation. The Capital Radio session of "Are You Receiving?" positively crackles out of the speakers as if it was recorded yesterday and the Malicious single version of "Pssyche" sounds like an almost different track from what I've been used to. I'm only waist deep into it, but so far I cannot stop grinning maniacally. Today may finaly be the day I push my neighbors' collective patience over the edge as I cackle amidst the infernal din, "WELCOME THE NEW ERA! HONOR THE FIRE, YOU FUCKING HERETICS!"

GO FETCH IT AT ONCE!


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your neighbors are going to fucking kill you. You're worse than I am.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

The neighbors can fuckin' STEP ON RIGHT THE FUCK UP AND GET WHAT'S COMIN' TO'EM!. It's the wife I'm worried about, as her patience for my manic zeal for this album shall wear as swiftly as wet tracing paper against an avalanche of gravel.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I can totally see that happening. I remember when my fiance discovered my Sisters of Mercy cds, I was like, "Hey, cool, I'm coming home to 'This Corrosion'!", and then that went on for like 4 months, every single day, and I was like, "Hey, Sisters of Mercy, fuck you!"

Oh, shit, now I have "This Corrosion" in my head.

How much were they charging for the CD? I actually saw it somewhere, but I forget where. And laughed to myself, thinking about this very thread, like a total asshole.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Hey, Sisters of Mercy, fuck you!"

I was saying that very thing yesterday to some doubting jizzlobbers on the Gathering who were writing off Andy's gang as talentless Zep-wannabes (fuckin' AS IF!). I believe they had him confused with the Mission.

The disc was nineeteen bucks & change......and I also picked up the new Kitchens of Distinction compilation, but that won't see the inside of my player for many, many angry red moons, I fear.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killing Joke are fucking awesome, but not as awesome as this thread, to which I can only add that P.O.D. have stolen Geordie's whole guitar sound, as have others. It's not much, I know.

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killing Joke are fucking awesome, but not as awesome as this thread

This is basically my opinion too.

There's a new Kitchens of Distinction compilation? Where the fuck have I been? I am so out of the goddamned loop these days it's not even funny.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

P.O.D. have stolen Geordie's whole guitar sound

Well, they certainly did on "Youth of the Nation," but I'm not familiar enough with the rest of their work to crucify them for it (although aren't they big ol' Christians? In which case, I'll go get my nails and hammer!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, there's a new KoD compilation called Capsule, featuring a bonus disc of remixes, live tracks, acoustic shite, etc.

Although the compilation is inexplicably missing "Smiling" from their Death of Cool album.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, they certainly did on "Youth of the Nation,"

That's all I'm going on, too.

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

(although aren't they big ol' Christians? In which case, I'll go get my nails and hammer!)

Alex in pro-Satan shockah! What is up with all these bands being raving Christians these days, by the way? If you imagine me saying that in Jerry Seinfeld's voice, it's funnier.

I think we should page Anthony Miccio to thread, I bet he knows a lot about P.O.D.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, but then he'll invariably profane this thread by invoking the ridiculous pabulum that is G**d Ch*****te, and I'll have to get all upset and spray violent invective all over the place like some demonic lawn-sprinkler of vituperation, and that's just going to ruin my otherwise sunny mood.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 April 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.killingjoke.com/kj_main.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 04:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Latest update (courtesy of www.killing-joke.com, not to be confused with the "official" site cited above)...

Tour Line up:

Bass - Raven
Drums - Ted Parsons

You know the other usual suspects.

There is a promo tour lined up prior to the release of the new album, titled Killing Joke 2003, and Raven has been asked to join. This is not slated to be a concert tour, but rather a press tour...as it stands now.

Release date, though it may change, is set for late July. After the 20th.

Open dates for touring, though none are set as of this date, are from early August through late October.

This week, the album will go through final mix, then it is off tp pressing. The band members also signed the confidentiality agreements, meaning it will not be MP3'd, or released in any way with out authority
from the label.

In short, the album is all done, going to press, and we will all have it in our hot hands in just about 2 1/2 months, with a tour starting shortly after.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search - Killing Joke, What's This For, Revelations
Good, but less so - Fire Dances
All others worthwhile, but not essential, IMHO. Some, I must confess I have not heard..........

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Friday, 9 May 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Before this thread, I seriously thought I was committed to the point of being committed to my adoration of New Romantic/'80s "New British Invasion" music. Now, I realize it's all a hobby compared to Alex's near-slavish devotion to Killing Joke.

He's even unwittingly gotten me into them. Well, to "Night Time", anyway. I actually went out of my way to a different music store each day last week to search for that album, even going so far as to go 20 miles out of my way to a funky little music store that I thought might have it. It's damned hard to get around here, it seems.

Damn you, Alex. ;) It would only be fair for you to do a similar hunting thing for a band I adore. Maybe The Cure, or the Psychedelic Furs, or Duran Duran, or Japan, or Yellow Magic Orchestra, or Ultravox, or Visage, or A Flock of Seagulls, or... er. I think I have the reason behind the first two sentences in this post here.

Seriously, though, it's admirable that you would be so committed to a band that you would want to sing their praises on a constant basis. Very good.

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 10 May 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

As in the same Ted Parsons formerly of Swans and Prong?

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 10 May 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

The same.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 May 2003 05:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Alex. Thought of you just now when reading an item in the "New Arrivals" list at Aquarius Records. Note the inclusion of KJ's "Turn to Red" (Maybe you have it already?)...

V/A Wild Dub (Select Cuts) cd 15.98
Subtitled "Dread Meets Punk Rocker Downtown" this is a brilliant collection of dubbed out and reggaefied punk and new wave b-sides circa '77-'81, demonstrating the Jamaican dub influence on the youth culture of music and rebellion in England and elsewhere, back in the day. The underground dancefloor avantgardists of today can cop these styles, but this is the real deal, with tracks from well-known acts like The Pop Group, Killing Joke, The Slits, PIL, The Clash, Grace Jones and Stiff Little Fingers, plus some more obscure bands as well, like Red Beat, 4 Be 2, and Basement 5. Some cuts are actual echoey dubs, others are more about the Jamaican influence, and the dub concept of studio as instrument. All are pretty cool.

The Ruts' "Jah War" starts things off in deceptively ordinary fashion, pretty much straight up reggae (not a dub), though it does succesfully demonstrate this comp's thesis about the regarding the influence of reggae on punk (with The Ruts eventually becoming Ruts DC, subject of an anthology on Select Cuts we recommended a while back)... That's followed by Mikey Dread's dub version of The Clash's "Bank Robber" which of course sounds pretty much like The Clash, but dubbier. It's with track three, "Wild Dub" from Generation X, purportedly the first punk dub ever cut, that the punk-dub collision starts to get really interesting. And if Billy Idol's old band's dub attempt is cool, you can only imagine what more some of the more out-there groups came up with. For instance, dig the bizarre sounds of The Slits, whose disjointed dub of "Typical Girls" comes off like Italian 'rock concrete' deconstructionists Starfuckers by way of Jamaica, all cut-up and sparse and loopy. Definitely a highlight. Meanwhile, you've got The Pop Group setting an example for current acts like Out Hud/!!! to emulate, 4 Be 2's weird Irish hoedown skank, the throbbing "Turn To Red" by Killing Joke (from a super-rare 9" record), and Grace Jones' 1980 Chrissie Hynde penned dance classic "Private Life" with bass and drums from Sly & Robbie. And more... Former Sex Pistol Johnny Rotten is a ubiquitous presence, in addition to PIL's quintessential "Death Disco", there's a bunch of other John Lydon productions on here, including a great track from Vivien Goldman ("Private Armies") dubbed up by Lydon and Adrian Sherwood. Goldman, former singer with the Flying Lizards and reggae writer for the punk weekly Sounds, contributes the disc's liner notes, with an enthusiastic, informed, she-was-there-then-and-cares-deeply-about-it-now perspective. So, totally, recommended -- everyone who loved those great Disco Not Disco and/or In The Beginning There Was Rhythm compilations will want to check this out for sure!

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 11 May 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, yes. Just checked a tracklist.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 12 May 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://killing-joke.com/laff_jester.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The site is up. Not especially compatible with Netscape. I suggest Internet Explorer. And you'll need Flash.

http://www.killingjoke.com

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
This thread is funny.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 9 November 2003 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

Indeed it is ... indeed it is.

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 9 November 2003 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

Tell us then, good Doctor, which band do you personally prescribe?

THE LEGENDARY FIRST POST! From such small acorns...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

Actually the second! But I like the idea of it being the first for some reason. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 07:10 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
you all talk rubbish

keith, Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

I first met Jaz in London in 1979 and saw The Joke for the first time. I last met Jaz a few weeks ago at the Camden Underworld gig and as usual we chatted. In the 24 yeaqrs in between I have seen the Joke many, many times both in England and abroad. From their first release to their last and most recent release all the work has been remarkable. I have read all of your comments and feel that most of you have no concept or idea of the subject matter of the Black Jester's work.

Keith, Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Um, no thanks, we've already got one...

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I still want to know whether Ned knew what he was about to unleash when he passed on the secret of how to post pictures on ILM?

Jedmond (Jedmond), Friday, 16 April 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, you're right at that! It was all for the good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 April 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's the way Alex had snuck off to his birthplace to practice his moves, before you (Grand Master Raggett) came to show him the way.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Friday, 16 April 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
This is just a heads up for Alex in NYC -- I remember him pointing out in another thread something about a strange appearance of a Killing Joke poster in the background of some TV teen's bedroom or something.

Anyways, I just finished watching this TV pilot for my work, which features a scene with a young girl giving a guy a mix CD. As she hands it to him, she says "it has all the hot new stuff on it -- The Darkness, Handsome Boy Modeling School (?), Killing Joke..."

Maybe there's one main set dresser/cred consultant lurking in TV land who's a big Joke fanatic...?

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

it has all the hot new stuff on it -- The Darkness, Handsome Boy Modeling School (?), Killing Joke...

My head just exploded.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

They're my three favourite bands!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 June 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the obligatory posters-hung-at-a-dutch-angle in any movie/tv teenagers' room, which obviously are "whatever the labels sent for free" -- It's always a mix of like James Taylor, Guttermouth, and Polvo or something.

does this phenomenon have it's own thread? (not that it DESERVES it, I realize, but that hasn't stopped me before...)

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Darkness, Handsome Boy Modeling School (?), Killing Joke..."

Words fail me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 June 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, those sympathetic to the cause should take heart, as next week sees the official release of Chaos for Breakfast.

http://www.studio-c.co.uk/maliciousdamage/graphics/chaos.jpg

http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 June 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

fucking whoopee

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 June 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

You, sir, are an enemy of joy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 June 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

No, sorry, I'm with the Doc. - re-release everything and devalue my original vinyl copies why don't you, you bastards?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 June 2004 07:27 (nineteen years ago) link


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