Techno/House Bobbins of the past

Thanks. I guess I'm interested in both techno and house (from what I understand, the further you go back, the more those styles become pretty much the same thing, save geographical differences). Coincidentally, there's a Guardian article out today about early Chicago house http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/mar/03/chicago-house-music-uk-audience

(from what I understand, the further you go back, the more those styles become pretty much the same thing, save geographical differences)

Only if you're assuming that today techno = 150 bpm blitzkriegs and house = kylie, They were still pretty distinct circa, oh, 1987.

chez & trent

Tim, I'm not really assuming that. I'd previously read (probably on ILX from someone I assumed knew what he was talking about) that the only real difference between the earliest house and techno were where they came out of (Chicago/Detroit). But there must have still been some differences even then. Anyway, I'm out of my depth so I'll take your word for it.

Never could get into early techno/house before. I always had that Warp Classics comp and used to find that stuff more 'LOL primitive' than truly enjoyable (even though I used to love Tricky Disco and LFO when I was about 10). I'm feeling this now though. Nothing is tingling my ears more than a well placed 808 snare break. I've managed to get hold of the Warp Influences now, so that should tide me over for a bit. Thanks for all the suggestions people.

Azari & III - Hungry For The Power (and suggest me some similar stuff) is not a bad thread for recommending older stuff in the vein of Azari & III, as far as I can remember.

ah, hadn't seen that thread. thanks!

This is so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXje0oP6SCY&feature=related

any excuse to bring out mike banks in a house style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brTZ4a1reBY

I know I've taken part in this discussion/argument a bunch, but I'm not sure how distinct house and techno really were in the mid/early-late 80s. I mean, listen to Washing Machine and Wargames then listen to Good Life and let someone guess which is chicago house and which is detroit techno. Or compare Jamie Principal to Blake Baxter.

He doesn't really know what he's looking for... is this it? Best Chez N Trent collabo by far, in my opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fGS2K59wA

And I think that we can easily sort songs into house and techno most of the time, but it doesn't correlate neatly to geography.

Btw, that Chez N Trent song is what the guardian article is referring to when it quotes "you said you'd never ever do this to me again." It's from 1994, so I think it's pretty poor evidence for the argument that paragraph makes, but whatever. One of my favorite house songs EVER.

And I think that we can easily sort songs into house and techno most of the time, but it doesn't correlate neatly to geography.

I don't agree. While the early detroit techno stuff was often called house or detroit house, whether it sounded house or not, I've never heard anyone refer to Lil Louis or Fingers Inc as "techno". Or are there sonic signifiers that separate Acid House from Techno, beyond the ubiquitous 303 squelch.

Okay! I don't want to get into it. But Dog Latin should listen to these, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW4vi8dHuYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zRM3gdiJ9E

Another good Lil Louis "Is it techno? Is it house? blearghghg" cut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqwXBWQglA

That 12" is maybe one of the best 12" releases of all time. It's just so awesome in so many different ways.

I have a trick with it: mix "why'd u fall" over "the story continues". You need to copies or some sort of digital setup. Totally worth the effort! Cut between the two and people will go NUTS.

*2 copies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzFqr8C9tc

love this...any more stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspPQzZZKBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyICc0RXTdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8pA8oE72U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuS4rhSh6Q0

Love Stasis.

And B12 for that matter.

B12's AI LP Electro Summer is an all time favorite. One of the few techno LPs I listen to regularly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW0buIM2ZdE

jungle wonz sample? sample of sample perhaps

I love Statis too. I've been listening to some old UK house stuff recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI61TeaoaFI

How's the rest of the stuff on that comp?

There is some good stuff on there. The Charles Webster tracks are on point, he's got such an outstanding back catalogue. Both the Trevor Loveys ones are good and Omid 16B's Secrets, which I totally love is the last track. I pick a lot of this stuff up for £1 or so in second hand stores in London. Some good CDs and Vinyl are still to be had, pretty cheap.

really nice, thanks

on a uk house tip I've been listening to a fair bit of Azuli lately. loads of releases so it's very hit and miss but when it's good it's very good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJiFIx1F1nw

I will never get tired of these tracks ... here's an all-Red Planet mix: http://infinitestatemachine.com/2011/04/28/new-mix-welcome-to-earth-alex/

best techno label ever

whoa... such a dope and diverse catalogue, all in one mix! this one is my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3xJJnRfzU

btw check this comment from that site... true?

On 04.28.11 at 5:12 am w1b0 said dis shit:
I have 2 interesting insights on Red Planet:

1) that Mad Mike created Red Planet to support his mother financially

2) that this is a Red Planet reject: http://www.discogs.com/UR-Dark-Energy/release/9103

Thanks for posting the mix, Downloading now.

wouldn't surprise me, Mad Mike seems like a good dude

tho he has never actually owned up to authorship of the Red Planet records yet, has he? i rather like the idea of the Martian as this anonymous collaborative entity, there's enough auteur worship in techno as it is

I always heard it was collaborative, like they weren't all done by the same person?

yeah hence "anonymous collaborative entity". the credits on the vinyl specify who collaborated on each track but it's assumed that there is one main guy acting as The Martian on each release. plus there is def a unifying sound to these trax. idk maybe i'm wrong here...

the tracks on the cd comp are credited to a Will Thomas, though he doesn't appear to have done anything else so could be a pseudonym for Mad Mike or somebody?

found this by accident today...what a great track

http://youtu.be/fzDNA56mS5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzDNA56mS5g&feature=mr_meh&list=PLC6C9D96F60F46ABA&index=29&playnext=0

this is rad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nR_s3YQXAQ

Xpost: Wow. Any other example of amen break house like that?

a la rescue me?

there's this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUpBJB6Ms0Y

that isn't the best example, but i'd check out the various releases:
http://www.discogs.com/Marty-Thomas-Resurrect-Me-Lift-Me-Up/release/23991
http://www.discogs.com/Marty-Thomas-Resurrect-Me-Lift-Me-Up/release/116012

i must say, tho, that the Tom Moulton mix of that track is fucking UNREAL awesome. mixed it with Kenny Bobien once and i turned some people to jesus.

Remembering Darryl - Chicago House Legend Darryl Pandy Passes Away

;_; http://vimeo.com/2608028

Came here to post that, too. Sad.

RIP.

And in other news: Kenny Hawkes RIP. Had some good times at his Bar Rumba night in London.

Sad news about Kenny Hawkes. He reminds me of an era of UK house along with pirates like Girls FM & labels inc. Luxury Service

RIP Kenny. A brilliant guy.

Any other example of amen break house like that?

tons...

BBC Radio 1 did a one-hour special on the history of the amen break--the guy narrating it is pretty annoying but it's interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011nyd1