Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

would anyone pay to read the guardian if they decided to drop a paywall?

I'm not sure I wouldn't actually. would the guardian ever do it tho?

I probably would pay. The website loses a huge amount of money at the moment, as far as i am aware, but i'm not sure whether a paywall would generate any more than advertising revenue does.

maybe the website would lose less money if say, they sack all the shit writers from it?

I paid for the app without even thinking about it.

to read articles that were written in a similar way

glad the hackney tourist board is so keen to pony up but i'm not, seem to remember some smug article abt how paywalls are bad

http://www.iwradio.co.uk/newscentre/national-news/wootton-bassett-cartoon-sparks-outrage-15954542

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/16/1300318427436/Steve-Bell-17.03.11-001.jpg

I think I get it now.. is cameron's head a condom because he's a dickhead??

Or because Bell can't draw him?

are his eyes not in the condom?

Bell explained it as stemming from Cameron being presented as a 'Safe' Tory.

dreadful

it's because he wants to keep out the jonny foreigners

Not even Bell would use that joke

that's where bell ends and where i begin

Is that a bellend reference?

I think I saw something about it evolving from Bell noticing his curious shiny smoothness when he met him.

Defence Secretary Liam Fox told the Sun: "It's tasteless and offensive. It shows a total lack of respect for our fallen.

"It's cowardly and bad taste which stands in stark contrast to the pride of the people of Royal Wootton Bassett."

i actually agree it's offensive. it also isn't even that cutting, it's a fairly confused message.

the subject is fair

cartoon is typically shit

i don't get it tbh

i think it's potentially fair except the lack of a clear punchline or meaning just makes it seem gratuitous. plus you know, d-cam didn't start that war, much and all as i think he's a total cunt.

x-post otm...can anyone explain directly what it means?

the 'war on language' bit applies to the nhs poster, sort of, but... not the other thing. does it?

Cameron has a condom on his head cos he is head of the condems geddit?

Cameron has a condom on his head cos he is pretending to be one of our mates geddit?

it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

it's a ruddy disgrace!

http://i.imgur.com/eL3bY.jpg

hahahaha he looks like a chimp! lol! steve bell for prime minister! charlie brooker as chancellor!!!

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/5316/ffsp.png

HURRRRRR

yeah im not going to click that

http://www.annastoydepot.com/images/martianpopping.jpg

Steve Bell is missing a trick here, I think.

The Hadley Freeman article is worse than it sounds.

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Pass notes No 2,948: Bunga bunga

Silvio Berlusconi is alleged to be keen on this particular kind of party

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Karima el-Mahroug Karima 'Ruby' el-Mahroug claims Berlusconi heard about bunga bunga parties from Gaddafi. Photograph: Kerstin Joensson/AP

Appearance: Sweaty.

Age: 17 to 80. Preferably 17.

Sorry, what are we talking about here? Bunga bunga.

Oh. They drink it on the Humber, I suppose? That's Um Bongo.

I thought they drank that in the Congo. They did, apocryphally. But look, bunga bunga is something different.

How so? Um Bongo is a memorably advertised fruit juice drink. Bunga bunga is a type of orgy where many naked teenage girls cavort for the pleasure of a few old men.

Yes, that is different. Yes, it is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/27/pass-notes-bunga-bunga-berlusconi

Thinking the Impossible: French Philosophy Since 1960 by Gary Gutting – review

The theories of Derrida and Foucault are revisited in this fair-minded history of French deconstructionism, and guess what? It wasn't all bunkum…

sometimes i hate british people

Cockroach News of Cockroach England

Are the theory wars over? Twenty-five years ago you couldn't cocoa your cappuccino without someone accusing you of floating a signifier, much less close down the, ahem, discourse with a simple "I prefer my coffee that way"

Rebarbatively obscurantist the post-structuralists may be, but anyone who has read Gary Gutting's fine introduction to their thought will be a little less quick to convict them of charlatanry.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/mar/20/thinking-impossible-philosopy-gary-gutting

Bray has pompous prick tendencies, but he's hardly a Guardian regular.

"Camerons fly to Spain for mini-break in Spain."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/apr/11/pass-notes-the-bercows

Pass Notes is like shooting fish in a barrel, it's the single worst thing in the Guardian.

12noon: BREAKING: Kiss couple will go on a second date, I've been told. More shortly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/apr/15/kissing-in-public-live-blog

what a farce...

guess i wasn't far off

OMG, dark-haired one on the right has been in a drinking situ with me and Lex! "Financial journalist" would be the pertinent clue re. the connection - dude knows a fair few activists, let's say.

really?! did not recognise at all (and still don't) - we had no twitter follows in common when i checked

― lex pretend, Friday, 15 April 2011 07:18 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Twitter doesn't come into it. Dude in question is a good friend of Hugo's and I'm pretty sure he came to one of my birthday drinks with him.

― a modest broposal (suzy), Friday, 15 April 2011 08:14 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah that makes sense, wondered if it was through hugo!

― lex pretend, Friday, 15 April 2011 08:22 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

reckon this piece of info can make tomorrow's guardian front page #slownewsdays

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Friday, 15 April 2011 10:03 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there's a v well written tanya gold, i think, article on abortion today, fwiw

yeah but who will she bring with her tonight for the big kiss?

Libby Brooks, not Tanya Gold

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/big-society-abortion-advice