Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Steve Bell is missing a trick here, I think.

anna sui generis (suzy), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:07 (thirteen years ago) link

The Hadley Freeman article is worse than it sounds.

the pinefox, Thursday, 24 March 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link

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Series: Pass notes
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Pass notes No 2,948: Bunga bunga

Silvio Berlusconi is alleged to be keen on this particular kind of party

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* guardian.co.uk, Sunday 27 March 2011 20.00 BST
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Karima el-Mahroug Karima 'Ruby' el-Mahroug claims Berlusconi heard about bunga bunga parties from Gaddafi. Photograph: Kerstin Joensson/AP

Appearance: Sweaty.

Age: 17 to 80. Preferably 17.

Sorry, what are we talking about here? Bunga bunga.

Oh. They drink it on the Humber, I suppose? That's Um Bongo.

I thought they drank that in the Congo. They did, apocryphally. But look, bunga bunga is something different.

How so? Um Bongo is a memorably advertised fruit juice drink. Bunga bunga is a type of orgy where many naked teenage girls cavort for the pleasure of a few old men.

Yes, that is different. Yes, it is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/27/pass-notes-bunga-bunga-berlusconi

kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Monday, 28 March 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Thinking the Impossible: French Philosophy Since 1960 by Gary Gutting – review

The theories of Derrida and Foucault are revisited in this fair-minded history of French deconstructionism, and guess what? It wasn't all bunkum…

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

sometimes i hate british people

Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Cockroach News of Cockroach England

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Are the theory wars over? Twenty-five years ago you couldn't cocoa your cappuccino without someone accusing you of floating a signifier, much less close down the, ahem, discourse with a simple "I prefer my coffee that way"

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Rebarbatively obscurantist the post-structuralists may be, but anyone who has read Gary Gutting's fine introduction to their thought will be a little less quick to convict them of charlatanry.

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Bray has pompous prick tendencies, but he's hardly a Guardian regular.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"Camerons fly to Spain for mini-break in Spain."

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 7 April 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Pass Notes is like shooting fish in a barrel, it's the single worst thing in the Guardian.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link

12noon: BREAKING: Kiss couple will go on a second date, I've been told. More shortly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/apr/15/kissing-in-public-live-blog

joe, Friday, 15 April 2011 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link

what a farce...

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Friday, 15 April 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link

guess i wasn't far off

OMG, dark-haired one on the right has been in a drinking situ with me and Lex! "Financial journalist" would be the pertinent clue re. the connection - dude knows a fair few activists, let's say.

really?! did not recognise at all (and still don't) - we had no twitter follows in common when i checked

― lex pretend, Friday, 15 April 2011 07:18 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Twitter doesn't come into it. Dude in question is a good friend of Hugo's and I'm pretty sure he came to one of my birthday drinks with him.

― a modest broposal (suzy), Friday, 15 April 2011 08:14 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah that makes sense, wondered if it was through hugo!

― lex pretend, Friday, 15 April 2011 08:22 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

reckon this piece of info can make tomorrow's guardian front page #slownewsdays

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Friday, 15 April 2011 10:03 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Friday, 15 April 2011 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a v well written tanya gold, i think, article on abortion today, fwiw

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Friday, 15 April 2011 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but who will she bring with her tonight for the big kiss?

Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Friday, 15 April 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Libby Brooks, not Tanya Gold

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/big-society-abortion-advice

Alba, Friday, 15 April 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/apr/16/home-birth-trial-or-rewarding

The pictures that accompanied this article - even more so in the print edition - had me wanting to gouge my eyes out. I get that birth is a natural and beautiful thing but fuck if I want to see a woman spread wide with half a baby hanging out her while I'm having a lunchtime read.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Saturday, 16 April 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/apr/14/hail-rock-roll-laura-barton

the summary is: Sometimes the meaning of a song is communicated not with words or explanation, but through the magic of the music itself

really blowing my mind, it's almost as if all instrumental music ever made somehow HAS MEANING, but no words??? and there is music with foreign lyrics, somehow that too speaks to me???

hang on a second, it's ALMOST as if lyrics are frequently just part of a wider collection of sounds forming pieces of music. jesus...and not actually separate pieces of poetry to be pored over in awful music columns.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 08:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I like how Alba maintains correctness.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Reading Laura Barton feels like biting down on the prongs of a fork.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder if biting Laura Barton feels like reading the prongs of a fork?

the pinefox, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually I doubt it.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/22/bristol-riot-tesco

So, so many errors but this is some kind of horrific passive-aggressive threat bullshit:

Bristol City council has a clear choice now: continue to let Tesco trade and risk last night becoming a regular occurrence

This scuffle was about half a mile from my house, so I think I'm 'local' enough to have a point of view. Some things the Guardian doesn't tell you:

The self-appointed 'leader' of the troublemakers owns a fruit and veg shop about a mile away, but isn't motivated by potential loss of profit from her overpriced organic only shop, OH NO.

In addition to the damage to Tesco, a local independent bike shop and an independent cafe round the corner had their windows put in, and the Jamaican restaurant a couple of doors down had its waste bin set on fire in front of the shop and a storage trailer it uses run down the street then set on fire.

The postcard campaign and the survey mentioned were run by the Canteen, a cafe/restaurant a little further down the road and the centre of the anti-Tesco campaign. 2500 postcards were received from an unknown number of people, Tesco identified 3000 different people shopped in the store in the 6 days it was open.

The police turned up in the first place because there was someone on the roof of the squat shouting he was going to firebomb Tesco. About 18 months ago the same area of road was closed because a guy was on the roof of the squat throwing slates at pedestrians. That was also to protest about Tesco, according to his defence in court.

Still, never let the facts get in the way of an ill-conceived article.

4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link

the guardian is always worse than it used to be

Some other race (nakhchivan), Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

which fruit and veg shop does the leader own? that one on picton street?

caek, Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

The Guardian circulation rose 5.47% to 279308 month on month and is now down 11.21% year on year.

Some other race (nakhchivan), Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Aye, the one on Picton Street. Bristol knowledge xpost

4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Sunday, 24 April 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Interesting stuff, Aldo. I used to live in that part of Bristol, and it definitely had it's holier-than-thou crusty aggro veganism thing going on. Reminds me of similar nimbyism in Stoke Newington when an Nando's was being opened on Church St OH NO SOMEWHERE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE EAT IS BEING OPENED ON OUR PRECIOUS STREET!!!

Neil S, Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, that place looks dreadful in a £15-for-a-pot-of-honey way.

i am just up the hill near st andrews park, but i was away this weekend and missed the fireworks. which cafe got a window put in? didn't see any damage at arts cafe or kino?

caek, Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

p.s. i tried to get some discussion going The nature of political protest in britain

caek, Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I heard similar about the trouble in Stokes Croft from a Bristolian guy on another forum I'm on. I got the impression that the police had left an unattended vehicle like they did in London recdently? I wonder if this is a "thing", kind of a mechanical agent provocateur if so.

Couple of decent pieces in the magazine this sat I thought. The one about ppl who had been on Jeremy kyle show was a bit of an eye-opener.

Letzte Tage - Letzte Pächmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link

The cafe that had the windows put in is the one right at the top of Picton Street, the Bristolian is it called? Painted green, a narrow triangular shaped place.

Darragh, the abandoning of the land rover came during the withdrawal which happened after the protesters tried to force open the petrol cap of a van full of officers. There's a pretty clear clip of it on YouTube.

4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link

"the bristol cafe" i think.

caek, Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

had no idea all of you were in bristol; kinda seems impossible to be more than one degree of separation from people here irl. & yeah, i wonder which cafe got beat up? i think i would get shutters if i were kino.

The postcard campaign and the survey mentioned were run by the Canteen, a cafe/restaurant a little further down the road and the centre of the anti-Tesco campaign. 2500 postcards were received from an unknown number of people, Tesco identified 3000 different people shopped in the store in the 6 days it was open.

i'm kinda with you here, but i don't really think use of an open supermarket is quite the same as opposition to opening a supermarket; once it's there the significance of your custom or boycott is kinda minimal. i think that there was, canteen-skewed or not, self-righteous or not, real distaste for the idea of having a tesco there, from people in that area, no? like it isn't hard to get that range of products from the sainsbury's ten minutes up the road or the londis on picton street, etc, esp. considering the latter's always surprisingly well stocked backroom vegetable emporium.

real good photos, caek, i have seen them all over.

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

xp, cafe mystery solved btw. currently speculating as to why protesters probably blew up their own HQ but n/m

sensual bathtub (group: 698) (schlump), Sunday, 24 April 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

In the Hare on the Hill just now with the local CSO on his break from the front of Tesco. He's coming out with some interesting stuff he probably shouldn't be about Thursday but claims to have been one of the people in the squat with the negotiators on the night.

He also says he thinks it is building to kick off again tonight.

4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Sunday, 24 April 2011 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

weekend mag was partic strong this week i thought, agreed pash.

Republicans voiced concern about young pages hearing the word uterus (stevie), Sunday, 24 April 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Agree re: the weekend mag - usually I'm done with it in a half hour but yesterday's I read pretty much cover-to-cover, I can't remember the last time I did that.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Sunday, 24 April 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

I use Tesco a lot, but I really don't like Nando's.

the pinefox, Monday, 25 April 2011 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I was going to imagine how it would be if a Nando's opened near me, then realized there has been a big one round the corner for many years.

the pinefox, Monday, 25 April 2011 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not a nandos stan like others i know, but the nando's is EASILY the best thing on church street - would take an entire street of nandos and tescos over that child's clothing shop called "olive loves alfie"

lex pretend, Monday, 25 April 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link

what awful apostrophising. nando's. tesco. how does one pluralise "nando's"? i haven't caffeinated yet today ugh.

lex pretend, Monday, 25 April 2011 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link

There was a lot of dissent when it was rumoured that Starbucks or Tesco were going to open on the site of the old Vortex but, from what i recall, most of it evaporated when it was finally revealed to be a Nando's. You can't fight a Nando's.

The Film Shop is still the best thing on Church Street though.

I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Monday, 25 April 2011 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, Rasa, Anglo-Asian and Abi Ruchi are all amazing. Church Street isn't so bad.

I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Monday, 25 April 2011 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link

i'd pluralise nando's like "nandos". think they're a bit crap tbh but fuck a nimby

A Zed and Two Nults (Noodle Vague), Monday, 25 April 2011 10:18 (thirteen years ago) link

nandos situ just points how crazily segregated stokey is - like, on race/class lines, in stokey there are two entirely seperate communities living within each other, and doing their best to barely acknowledge each other. its pretty fucking bizarre, and weird.

but yeah, "nandos is best thing on church street" is pretty inexcusable challops: film shop is streets ahead, the spence bakery is not bad (though badly overpriced), the farmers market at the weekend is brilliant... nandos meanwhile is pretty fucking expensive for what it is, and you could get much cheaper and nicer food from any of the turkish restaurants nearby, not to mention millenium kebab, which is godlike, or the well-named best kebab shop.

Republicans voiced concern about young pages hearing the word uterus (stevie), Monday, 25 April 2011 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link

haha it was challopy, there's nothing on church street i actively go there for except the barber out of habit. the cafés all seem nice, much of a muchness.

lex pretend, Monday, 25 April 2011 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link


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