HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

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\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:12 (nine years ago) link

idk, sopranos seem like a big exception to that rule. episode one is still a defining thematic episode. that's one thing reviewers have pointed out about the thrones pilot that i think is otm. there's no particular scene that really pulls together the major themes of the show. it's more of a preview/prologue type of episode where all the pieces are put into place. not that that is a particularly bad idea -- the world they're playing with is much much larger than the one of the sopranos.

One of the articles linked above talks about the move away from episodic television altogether on HBO. The Sopranos and Deadwood both establish a lot about their central characters in the first episodes, and they're still fairly episodic in nature to give a full story, which GoT doesn't really do except some broad character strokes. Still, those shows took 3 or 4 episodes to really show their stuff ("College" and "Here Was A Man" are the ones usually cited).

I don't think GoT will be nearly as good as either of those, but it looks to be pretty entertaining once it gets going. Also, pretty much everything I've read says the pilot is the worst of the first 6.

Agreed about the nudity, though I think the brother-groping scene is a bit more pervy than you're giving it credit for. Certainly the final scene with her and the new husband is played for violation-by-the-Other discomfort.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:51 (nine years ago) link

i think the wedding was even worse than the rave in the 2nd matrix movie as far as dionysian nerd fantasies go

― adam, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:49 (Yesterday)

the angry, grunty dry humping was fucking HILARIOUS.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:52 (nine years ago) link

I agree, but I think he may have more of a pregnancy fetish than anything else. At least that's what I get from the books.

so i started re-reading the first book last night and there have already been at like three references to someone's seed quickening in someone else's womb or whatever so you may be on to something.

one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:15 (nine years ago) link

For those wondering about Theon, he apparently does come into a lot more in the first six episodes. I reckon he'll have an awesome payoff in the books down the line as well.

― Number None, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 09:54 (Yesterday) Bookmark

ha ha ha

idk, sopranos seem like a big exception to that rule. episode one is still a defining thematic episode. that's one thing reviewers have pointed out about the thrones pilot that i think is otm. there's no particular scene that really pulls together the major themes of the show.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:39 (9 hours ago) Bookmark

errrr did they skip the execution? because that's pretty much the whole thing there, I gotta say

thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:17 (nine years ago) link

Why the laugh?

Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:23 (nine years ago) link

errrr did they skip the execution? because that's pretty much the whole thing there, I gotta say

i think the execution says a lot about that particular family and that particular people living in the north, but didn't really seem to speak to the exiled king or the real party king or any of the other groups. which idk having not read the book i can't comment with any authority.

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:29 (nine years ago) link

= 'these are the sorts of bad decisions that acting honourably leads you to'

thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:39 (nine years ago) link

I think there's also the pressure on those who DO act honorably to make even become even more vigilant/observant when standards seem to be loosening all around them -- ex Robert's slack court in the South. The whole world is putting N. Stark in this position, and he's becoming more alone every day.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:42 (nine years ago) link

(Sorry about the mis-read there, was revising in a hurry.)

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:42 (nine years ago) link

yo thomp...

Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:43 (nine years ago) link

i think it's funny that, at this point, anyone would have any faith in george r.r. martin's ability to plot a novel in a way that would result in any kind of satisfying experience for the reader

thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

Ah right, you may have a point there.

Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:50 (nine years ago) link

at this point -- you mean one episode in (and it gets better) or you mean considering the corpus of material he's already written?

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:51 (nine years ago) link

alllll my wolves stay real
stark don't think these political deals
gonna feed your seeds
and pay your bills because they not

(xxp)

c( ☠_ ☠ )ↄ (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:53 (nine years ago) link

George got a little bit of love and thinks's he's hot

Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:55 (nine years ago) link

mordy, sorry, that was in response to the thing about whether it will turn out in book five, six, or seven that theon has some reason for having been there

thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:36 (nine years ago) link

hey guess what

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/503754/game-of-thrones-daenerys_article_story_main.jpg

winter is busting a nut all or ya face

dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:42 (nine years ago) link

That photo is the wrong color, on the tv her hair is a woolly yellow-blond that looks like someone hid the undyed roots with cornstarch and powder bleach. I'll be delighted, though, when the character gets to a place where she makes that resolute a face ALL the time.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 21 April 2011 01:20 (nine years ago) link

sarah connor IS cersei lannister

calstars, Thursday, 21 April 2011 01:51 (nine years ago) link

Sky Atlantic fan show (probably not for people who already know the books and stuff, it's pretty beginner-y... might be of interest? It's an iTunes podcast, too):
http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/

Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:38 (nine years ago) link

Whoops: http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/thronecast

Walter Galt, Thursday, 21 April 2011 20:39 (nine years ago) link

ha "thronecast", sounds like they're broadcasting from a toilet

it always seems to have dick smith in it (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:47 (nine years ago) link

podthrone

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 21 April 2011 21:50 (nine years ago) link

You Shit Or You Die

last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:04 (nine years ago) link

Urine is Coming

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:22 (nine years ago) link

Haven't read the books, loved the first episode.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 22 April 2011 04:47 (nine years ago) link

Already so much shit going down!

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 22 April 2011 04:48 (nine years ago) link

Finally got to watch the first episode. From the talk of things the wedding scene was going to be some grand cheese ball of central focus, but a few quick flashes to dry humping I can take. I thought the episode was solid -- some stiff dialogue about who is who and what is what was necessary and they got through the exposition fairly effectively here. Some more to come, no doubt, but once we get a few episodes into this I think the characters will make for compelling viewing by themselves. All the actors seemed very well cast. Sansa was perfect.

abcfsk, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:06 (nine years ago) link

I agree-- this episode had pilot-itis where they have to give you a tidbit of everyone involved but a meal of none. And I do trust the characters will get to stretch out a bit starting in the next coupla.

Agree with reservations about the Daneirys actress-- not so much physically but the tone of her performance-- the somnambulist/frightened rabbit thing. Didn't seem right.

My only outright beef is with the music. Cheap, generic, dull. I understand that they fired their original composer (Stephen Warbeck) vcery late in the game, so that Ramin Djawadi had scant time to do his job, but this just sounds like stuff you'd hear on an electronic RPG or a History Channel special on Vikings. In other words, they need to fire their composer again pronto. All the painstaking, beautiful execution on so many other fronts and they think people won't notice this half-assed crap?

last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:16 (nine years ago) link

I think the frightened rabbit thing is is the right look for her so far.. what was entertaining about the character in the book was how she came off as frightened, unsure, dulled by suppression, but then had moments when provoked where she exploded and found her powers.

abcfsk, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:20 (nine years ago) link

^^^

I think its totally okay for her to be a frightened rabbit at this point, her future is so unsure and her supposed protector is a creep!

OK so maybe frightened rabbit is apt but what about the weird sleepwalker affect?

last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:24 (nine years ago) link

To let the camera linger on her ass better, iirc.

Eh it's predicable "pretty, scared girl" stuff, it's fine, not going to ruin the show for me. But as a young woman who had never known anything else I imagined her being a lot more affect-less, that she would have figured out how to hide her fear by now -- this is how her whole life has been.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:30 (nine years ago) link

I actually think the sleepwalking thing is the right direction.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:32 (nine years ago) link

Maybe its because I just finished rereading the book before I watched this, but she comes across as still pretty fearful, at least prior to the wedding and up to her deflowering.

I defer to anyone who's read the books more recently than about 4 years ago! Damn it.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:36 (nine years ago) link

There is still some awkwardness about her, thats for sure, but I don't think the fearful thing is the problem just yet. We'll have to see how she evolves over the next few episodes, thats for sure.

Fair enough. Anyone else hate the music as much as me?

last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:46 (nine years ago) link

Didn't even notice it, not one second of the music made any impression on me. Will be paying much closer attn this week, though, now that you've mentioned it.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:48 (nine years ago) link

I really dug the 'spooky' two-note theme during the opening scene

Brakhage, Friday, 22 April 2011 17:03 (nine years ago) link

That's an interesting point, the opening scene was well scored. Increased my bummerz regarding what followed musically. Maybe this composer is better at creepy/textural/semi-ambient scoring than other aspects.

It sounded to me like most of the score was a few acoustic instruments augmented by synths imitating an orchestra, which is always NAGL in my opinion (if you're gonna do a synth score then fucking OWN that fact!)

last name ever, first name gjetost (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 April 2011 17:20 (nine years ago) link

Ok so what historical racial analogue are the Klingon guys supposed to be? Because it's pretty clear they're supposed to represent some non-Euro Other, but they still got a white guy to play the bossman.

Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Saturday, 23 April 2011 07:00 (nine years ago) link

Mongols, maybe.

abcfsk, Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:07 (nine years ago) link

Not everything in fantasy has to have a direct analogue.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:25 (nine years ago) link

Anyway, the guy who plays Khal Drogo is Hawaiian. So he is actually a non-Euro.

Number None, Saturday, 23 April 2011 09:57 (nine years ago) link

'Ok so what historical racial analogue are the Klingon guys supposed to be?'

the french

thomp, Saturday, 23 April 2011 13:12 (nine years ago) link

The dry humping raves during Louis XIV were legendary

Brakhage, Saturday, 23 April 2011 15:52 (nine years ago) link

ha ha

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 April 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link


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