Portal 2

i mean come on here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9jplTRwmdo

^My friend made that Mad Men thing.

got this as an early birthday present :)

i was playing this before going to bed last night and i was really overcaffeinated and couldn't sleep and i was laying in bed for hours playing portal rooms in my brain

xp it's good!

i've been playing it with my girlfriend (who is acting in an advisory capacity on the single player mode) and we both had portal dreams.

I say again: no bonus maps is some bullshit

yeah feeling this ^

actually kinda frustrated with this game, fuck co-op, give me replayability. of which this game has little or none.

what puzzle games have replayability? i mean "get out of this room" style puzzle games.

well the first portal had a new game plus.

you know i'm not really sold on this game. I wanna finish it first before i levy judgment but ultimately i think i'm gonna be a bit disappointed... though maybe unavoidably.

well the first portal had a new game plus.

wait the game itself was different? I thought there was just challenge maps and advanced rooms?

no thats what i mean, but the cool thing was that there actually were multiple solutions and the challenge/advanced stuff made you do the less direct ones, it was a great way to extend the game lifespan imo

Totes

There's no doubt there'll be several incoming DLC maps. (What I'd really love to see are more little Aperture Science story vignettes.) Honestly though I think I played the advanced maps in Portal 1 for about 15 minutes before moving on.

i was the same - the advanced maps were focussed more on doing things quickly rather than being pure puzzles.

same here.

love the '70s style aperture logo.

man, i thought j.k. simmons at point says "i don't know, what do these people buy? beer dirt?" and that was the funniest line in the game (so far). turns out it's "beard dirt" - so not as good.

There's no doubt there'll be several incoming DLC maps.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-04-29-free-portal-2-dlc-detailed

...what's DLC?

method of removing the fetus

with portals

*going to hell brb*

ok thx to free dlc i take back all of my bitching

what is it

he's the guy who rapped with Run before the record deal

you shut up

Downloadable content

the fact that i knocked it out on a weekend day off is a plus imo---more like an "entertainment" and less like a "project"

more of this, imo

i still have never played the orig - i heard it's not great on PS3 though.

I just started this, it is MAD FUN

by sheer coincidence I read this right before starting the game:

http://www.ludix.com/moriarty/apology.html

needless to say, the "LOOK AT THE ART *BZZZZZZ*" part had me lolling explosively

holy shit that was an awesome read

i was less than impressed.

The identity of a game emerges from its mechanics and affordances, not the presentation that exposes them.

in traditional games, sure. in videogames, the two are (or can be) inseparable. narbacular drop has the same mechanics as portal, but it's a different game!

your character can't jump in Narbacular Drop, and in ND you can make portals inside of portals, ergo they do not have the same mechanics

*sigh* ok but one could imagine a game with identical mechanics but different presentation, and it would be a different game.

well no, it would be the same game with different presentation akin to skinning

Yeah. Sometimes two games have the same mechanics but different stories and settings (Jak and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank, for example), or sometimes they have the same story but radically different mechanics (Zelda games, for example).

disagree! thoroughly! you don't think level design, characters, story, are an intrinsic part of the game?

xp

I am likely not making my argument clear due to the synonymization of "videogame" with "game"

I do agree that distinct storylines help delineate one game from another if they share mechanics; where I am disagreeing is that I am arguing that, because they share the same mechanics, these two videogames are different instances of the same generalized game, which is encapsulated by the common mechanics.

games are just code sorry you're just another sucker

like when you play a game, you should just think to yourself, what nice code thank you, and that's all

like fallout new vegas just announced new dlc that is taking place in zion national park or whatever, what would plato say I wonder

ok... but if i say "this game is ART" i'm talking about the whole package. Change the presentation, and it might not be art anymore. in Brian Moriarty's phraseology, the identity of a game emerges from its mechanics and affordances, and the presentation that exposes them.

xp. my code is art.

I mean, this is bread and butter stuff and is played out across the industry in the form of genres and the expectations of gameplay that go along with them, and how the games that do something different in a way that people like tend to generate new genres (look at the whole "survival horror" sub-genre of adventure games started by "Alone in the Dark", for example, and how that was built upon by "Resident Evil").

Obviously all of these games within these general categories try to do SOMETHING differently in order to make themselves unique/desirable, some of which ties into developing specific mechanics to go along with the storyline/level design, but boil it down to, say, chess games; most of them play exactly the same way because the rules of chess are very strictly defined and well understood. If someone started a chess game and the first move was the black king leaping across the board and taking the white king, that game would not be chess.

xp: you realize that, at that particular point in time, he is talking about games in general and not specifically videogames, right

lol no not at all

I had a joke all typed up and ready to post before I saw that

he doesn't make that distinction, is the problem.

now I just typed up a post about your chess analogy

a joke, not a post

they are different, much like games are

I will never read a fucking thread is all I'm saying