US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

lol ok, but I suspect Soto has a subscrip to The Economist.

haa i wouldnt call alfred a 'far lefty' even by your definition of it

xp

yeah far lefties don't read 'The Corner', we already know that life's too short

wait this means I have to stop reading the corner? you miss meetings for 25 years and suddenly there's all these new rules

Cheney's favorite song on B1000 = Peephole

you bastards thats a wonderful song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjzXV9bIGA

omg it's Cheney

run

don't look in his eyes, you'll turn to stone and then he will shoot you in the face

cheney's favorite GBV song is the one about "the giggling faggots" -- like duh.

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all-time cheney fav

I <3 peephole

i have an economist t-shirt but that's just because i keep t-shirts until they are utterly unfit for the public and then i wear them under sweaters

I am way more left than all of you and I have the Ninja Tune t-shirt to prove it

gauntlet

I'm the only one who's been in Che Guevara's crypt AND saw the Jim Carroll Band

yeah far lefties don't read 'The Corner', we already know that life's too short

Far lefties don't LAUGH.

I laughed when you used "tautology" on me the other day

Dr Morbius, I thought you'd remember "tautology" from when you wrote this.

haa i wouldnt call alfred a 'far lefty' even by your definition of it

besides an asshole what would you call me?

guys if the far left is divided yall will never accomplish -- oh wait

the only division I know is between those who love "Right On Track" and those who don't.

Soto '12

Hernando de

If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided.

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I met Gus Hall so everybody else who wants to claim far left can catch the vapors

if you have to Google Gus Hall, you are de facto Republican

wasnt he the atheist who always ran for prez

wait, on the CPUSA line?

He was CPUSA - his vice prez in '76 was Angela B Davis, which is how it came to pass that young underrated aerosmith attended a state central committee meeting of a certain west coast 3rd party where Angela B was working the various county caucuses in a smoky meeting room

I believe that was the day I began to understand the concept of charisma

actually that may have been '80

...yes. Hall-Davis was '80 & '84. I'm younger than I think

teenaged me first encountered Gus Hall in the pages of an issue of Flaming Carrot

true story

pew just came out with its political typology of the american electorate 2011!!!!!

http://people-press.org/2011/05/04/section-1-the-political-typology-2/

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"Hard-Pressed Democrats"?

is that a typology or a sandwich

"A group of independently-minded Post-Moderns, who have voted overwhelmingly Democratic in the past two elections, are the youngest of all the typology groups. This mostly secular group agrees with Solid Liberals on social issues, immigration and the environment, but is not engaged with the traditional liberal rallying cries of the New Deal or Great Society. Instead, this group tends to be more supportive of Wall Street and business interests, and skeptical of broad-based social justice programs aimed at helping African-Americans and the poor."

This is the kinda thing I've been saying for a while on this board: that this is a big future of so-called liberalism in the USA. What were the moral foundations of the welfare state à la the New Deal / Great Society, and have they been undermined by post-1960s "liberal" ideology? I think yes.

How this group coheres with the Hard-Pressed Dems, the poor ones in other words, is interesting. But if someone says "the country is shifting rightward", I say it's because the Post-Moderns aren't really interested in helping the poor. I'm not sure what it means to be a Dem anymore, & I think this is one big reason why.

ugh @ post-moderns, scum of the earth

xp otm!!!!

young Dems created by Bubba Clinton's Personal Responsibility Act

(ie, eat it, poor)

srsly otm. and i say this as someone who could have been called a post-modern liberal about ten years ago

basically just less doctrinaire libertarians

My local Top 40 station in the early nineties boasted a "college music" show called "The Post-Modern Music Show." So this is what happens when XTC and Smithereens fans grow up and create policy.

the thing that gets lost in the personal responsibility shuffle is that it is entirely EXPECTED that someone who is taking responsibility for themselves will need help every now and then, or possibly even more frequently than that; life is capricious and cruel, no one really knows what's going to happen to them and one of the strong points of a society should be how it helps those in dire circumstances

like, I am poster child for "yr consequences, enjoy them" rhetoric but it is largely directed towards spoiled people of privilege who have never actually had to face the consequences of their poor choices, not those who have had their choices restricted by circumstance

basically just less doctrinaire libertarians

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yeah this is what i was gonna say

"post-moderns" just sound like "moderates" of the last 20 years who are ok with gay marriage

and more likely to be into ethnic food and prii

A new Republican-oriented group of Libertarians believe in the same economically conservative principles as the Staunch Conservatives, but its members differ when it comes to social issues, where they are very secular.

it looks like they arbitrarily decided what 'groups' they wanted (votes dem, responds that they don't care about welfare = post-modern ) and then showed the results from the groups "this group votes dem, and doesn't care about welfare!"

I'm on the phone w/ fuckin att and only half-reading this so maybe I'm missing the part where they create the groups based on the data instead of before the data...

I dunno, I thought if you didn't care about New Deal / Great Society accomplishments, then you were a Republican, not a moderate. Like to me that is what it is to be conservative. This is why I think the current coalition of religious folks / libertarians in the GOP, and poor folk / educated folk / "post-moderns" in the Dems is so bizarre.

yeah otm, there is definitely a quite a bit of overlap and the lines were probably drawn based on self-identification xp