I HATE APPLE

Mh ATT allow you to upgrade in 12 months (i assume because apple bring out a new phone each year). The thought did cross my mind to get the 4 but I'm still kind of pissed that they had everyone calling it 'iPhone 4G' when ATT wouldn't release 4G for another 9 or 10 months which was a moot point anyway because the gen 4 can't even run 4G. Also, I've been waiting almost a year for iPhone 5 and adding on another 9 months because I wasted my upgrade would be ridiculous.
However, flipping it isn't the worst idea. I checked out 3Gs' on EBay expecting them to be super cheap but they're all around $300 I guess because they're all jailbroken which takes what? 10 minutes?

Anyway, if iPhone 5 isn't 4G capable I'm probably going to lose my shit come September

lol the hd they replaced last week has failed. took it in this morning but they don't have the part in stock. should be in in 48 hours.

in the meantime, two hdds in a week seems suspicious. has anyone ever heard of a problem with a computer (software or hardware) that kills the hard drives connected to it?

get ready to lose your shit xp

are 4g networks up in the US yet?

Not in any widespread useful way. In the largest cities, you can't get full extended 3G speeds, so the data infrastructure needs upgraded, not just the towers.

its a weird situation. i mean has anyone decided what 4G is yet? we know it must have a speed of 1GB per second download. Now the latest LTE is that fast so is that 4g now? sprint came on the scene, what, 3 years ago? claiming some kind of 3G/4G network but it was actually just wimax and had a download speed of 10MB per second. crazy blatant lies. Even now their '4G' doesnt reach the standard 1GB per second. anyway verizon release a LTE network that meets 4G standards a little while back and ATT just released the same thing. how many handsets are actually 4G capable is another story altogether.

i haven't been following this thread but the next iphone probably won't be 4g

why not? i mean are they really going to hold out until 2012? I think south korea almost have 5G down and ready to go

i don't know really have any info, i just feel like that's what i heard someone say? that they might want to wait until 4g is more of a thing or whatever? idk

(i'm totally out of my depth)

OMG theyre going to pull a sprint on us:

http://www.iphone5rumours.com/2011/05/may-6th-iphone-5-will-likely-be-4g-yet-not-any-faster/

"This news caught most people by surprise, mostly because it was under all of our noses this entire time. 9to5Mac reported today that the next iPhone; presumably the iPhone 5, is very likely to be 4G.The report states that AT&T has been calling older 14.4 Mbps HSPA devices as ’4G’ in their stores and marketing campaigns although 4G was traditionally thought to be reserved for devices that are more than the 14.4 Mbps that they currently are.

Technically, smartphones should be performing at a noticeably higher speed to be called 4G, but since smartphones like the HTC Inspire 4G and Motorola Atrix 4G have called themselves ’4G’, AT&T has gone ahead and changed the definition of what 4G is as a smartphone that carry speeds up 14.4 Mbps (cue Shakespeare’s ‘what’s in a name?’ line)."

14.4 mb IS NOT EVEN CLOSE AT&T. FUCKERS.

The tech that t-mo is advertising as 4g is the same speed as the higher-speed 3G you get on AT&T etc

why not? i mean are they really going to hold out until 2012? I think south korea almost have 5G down and ready to go

― Serial Chiller (sunny successor), Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:03 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

I always feel like it's kind of misleading to point out east asian countries have more advanced cell phone networks. most east asian countries are the size of rhode island, it's much easier to upgrade the infrastructure when the country is so small. america's fucking huge!!

why not? i mean are they really going to hold out until 2012? I think south korea almost have 5G down and ready to go

― Serial Chiller (sunny successor), Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:03 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the first iphone didn't have 3g despite it being widely available even in the usa. 3g had been in use in the consumer markets in europe and asia for ten years before iphone, and you can't buy 4g phones anywhere in the world yet afaik. i don't think 4g is a possibility for the next iphone. i don't think western consumers care yet either.

maybe if apple were based in korea (or basically any country except one with a cellular network/industry like lol usa) they'd be a leader rather than follower on this stuff, but apple has never really been motivated by standards in use outside the us.

otm

i mean the iphone didn't even do 900mhz umts until bloody last year

I really don't give a toss about higher maximum speeds at this point.

In London at least, the 3G networks are horribly overloaded, so even if a 3G mast is in the vicinity and you've got full bars, it's all too common to get either no bandwidth or such a slow trickle of data that browsing is pointless.

Also, I'm guessing 4G is going to drain the battery faster, in which case, no thanks.

i think the specific technology people mean when they say "4g" is pretty poorly defined at the moment (part of the problem), but not all the contenders are battery killers?

i can't wait to watch my iphone desperately cycle between GPRS, Edge, 3G and 4G in a futile attempt to download anything while i'm sitting on the bus, that will be awesome

fuck, having two 3g networks cancelling each other out is bad enough as it is

btw i think you brits are suffering because your mobile providers are shithouse, not because the 3g standard is incapable of serving you

3 mobile has been amazing in London, compared to the nonsense of O2 and Orange. I got through a whole train journey without losing signal!

the only purpose of O2 is to troll its customers

O2 do the best broadband, though.

BE do the best broadband (NB it is actually the same as O2 broadband, but NB you don't have to be an O2 cutomer)

cute customer?

btw i think you brits londoners are suffering because your mobile providers are shithouse, not because the 3g standard is incapable of serving you

― 百万个叉烧包 (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:23 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fixed

^Yup: I watched most of the World Cup on my phone using 3G to stream TV Catchup. When it's available, 3G is plenty zippy here in Scotland.

I get about 4-5 mbps when tethering using 3g

3g is pretty decent here, but my city is amazingly low-density compared to NY/LA/Chicago.

I heard that 3g speeds were pretty decent before the release of the iPhone 3g, at which point speeds crawled to a standstill due to the fact that people bought and used iPhones for data, unlike most of the other options at the time.

If there are any faster networks available and people are using them, they're probably hoping that there isn't an iPhone released using that tech if they like their current phone and the ability to use data on it.

This is my first post to ILX from our new fangled MacBook Air. I'm such a tart.

4G means enough radiation emitted to give you four gonads where you had two , I believe

comprehensive article about 4G today in the Reg.

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/24/wtf_is_4g

The single most important characteristic of true 4G is that it doesn't exist yet. What will become the 4G mobile standard for the whole world is 3GPP Release 10: LTE Advanced. It's a compatible enhancement of LTE to bring it up to the ITU stipulations, with upgrades in several areas in the pursuit of greater speed.

...

But not until 2015, some analysts believe, at which point the operators hope to have reached the limits of 3G technology - especially now Ofcom has allowed the use of 2G spectrum for 3G applications - and for 4G equipment to be rather cheaper than it is now.

The best part is that if you read new ITU publications, they backslid and say that carriers can advertise "near-4g" shit as 4g because hey, marketing is awesome, guys.

Just like they marketed Vista part 2 as "Windows 7"

Look. I just want 1GBps OKAY????

was that gigabit or gigabyte because gigabyte is pretty fucking insane

I wrote a small document in Mac Pages and opened it in ipad Pages and it's fucking all over the place.

Also it complained about one of the two standard fonts I use instead of just, you know, fetching it.

right, hi.

i want to extend the warranty on my macbook, because it expired last year and if it dies again, which it's done regularly, i'm fucked. on the apple website though it seems as though an applecare agreement costs $249 - i'm SURE the last time i was in an apple store purchasing insurance was a lot cheaper than that???

it's a moot point since you can't buy an extended warranty if your original one's already expired

uhhh ok. so...what do i do to get insurance on this thing?

don't think you can buy warranties on used products, or if you can, it'd have to be through a third party. not sure what companies in the UK do this.

fwiw you can see if you're eligible here

https://selfsolve.apple.com/agreementWarrantyDynamic.do

click the apple icon on your computer, go to 'about this mac', click 'more info', serial # should be listed in the column of info

the only way to nto get mad at apples is to be so rich you dont care

My iphone is barely 6 months old and the battery seems to be about to die. Usually, if I don't make lengthy calls or use the GPS the battery can get through a day and still be around 90% full. Over the last few days it's been dropping much further, to 50% or so. This morning I woke up and my phone was completely dead. After plugging it in and charging it up for about 10 minutes it finally started to come to life. I'm pretty sure the battery needs replacing and I assume this shouldn't cost me anything (surely the battery is expected to last longer than this? I've never had to replace a battery on any other phone before). Do I just go direct to the Apple Store in central London, or do I contact 02 who my contract is with, or go to Carphone Warehouse (who the phone was bought from, except I bought it online not from a shop), or do I have to contact my insurer?

Here I've known people who have gone into an Apple Store and had it sorted on the spot. I also remember a similar sort of thing happening to an ilxor (not ilxor) in the UK last year, can't remember what happened there though.

That might have been me. The first phone I got was faulty (you couldn't hear any calls unless you used the headphones) so I went into an Apple Store and got it replaced.

Ahhh. Do that.