Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

Haha thank you Matt. I'll need you to sit beside me on train journeys from now on, I think.

Looks like bad subbing imo - Dorling's books are very good.

Maybe they were just edited well ...

speaking of editing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/24/twitter-ryan-giggs-social-media

Clearly, they are going to have to introduce a delay mechanism so that content can be checked before it goes up. There will have to be a completely different structure, which will be difficult when the whole thing about Twitter is its spontaneity.

robble. "clearly they are going to have to do this impossible thing which will completely remove their raison d'etre."

Richard Hillgrove is a business and political public relations consultant

ah well then

the cif editors obviously know that article is completely moronic and are publishing it for the impressions. yay the guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/may/28/alexis-petridis-daughter-music-critic

AP's article, though dire, actually better than his colleagues' in this series.

Why dire?

Can our columnists' children do a better job than them? Tim Dowling and son Johnnie find out

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle

okay i'm sure these are lovely kids but ffs what a terrible concept

Given the paper's issues with nepotism, it's a bit of an open goal. We only have to wait ten or fifteen years until they're staff writers to see if they can do a better job than their parents.

Although, i thought Alexis Petridis' article yesterday was sweet.

they are really going in hard on the palin e-mails thing.

this seems like such bullshit; two thousand e-mails kept back is so many e-mails.

(i know this isn't news, btw, but i am being sucked in as much as you get sucked in when something is front page)

It's pretty funny that they're being released on paper

the guardian is going far far bigger on this than any us paper, including the alaskan ones. feel like they are really "winning the special olympics" on this one.

it sounds like the other papers are making similar efforts to scan & check out the material, it's just that the guardian is the only one that's keeping a pre-revelations liveblog going, detailing the technology its staff are using to scan & upload facsimiles of the documents.

it feels weirdly over the top and sort of frenzied. is it that interesting? i'm not so sure.

It's not

it is like the news is a moose, and the guardian is a helicopter, and they want to be the agency that dramatically scoops the news by machine gunning it from a great height

It is a joke. The Guardian has been running about 3 Palin stories a day for weeks now. Are writers getting free trips to the US for every story printed? There must be other things happening in other places but The Guardian's obsession with the minutia of American politics is sending me to other news sources now. Aren't there elections coming up in France? In Thailand and other places at the moment? I am aware that the US has a major influence on the world and a British paper should cover its politics, but Palin seems to be irrelevent and can probably only have her postition strengthened by this, as it is starting to look like an obsessive witch hunt. Her emails, front page all day, for god's sake
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RANT OVER, just wanted to read the morning papers with a cup of tea, and it is all sodding palin and has been for days

agree, bs coverage of SP is grist to her mill, people should talk about her less

Reading the Cash section in The Observer today and a very familiar face on 1/4 page photo, no less than Ken C of this parish, although I noticed they spelt yr name wrong dude. Great picture though!

I have just had Kevin drawn to my attention and that is an awesome photo. Huge!

Yes, have also just had this pointed out to me. What is context please, for those of us too lazy to go to a shop?

Article about pensions, with our lad "Kevin" asked for comment.

A photo of the photo

Online version of article

Article about pensions, with our lad "Kevin" asked for comment.

― Bill A, Sunday, 19 June 2011 20:57 (10 minutes ago)

lol

I refuse to believe that ken c is 31. Then again I'm in denial about being 31 myself.

Yeah, I'm going to pretend that was a typo too. Sorry Ken.

it was my/kevin's birthday just last week, if that helps..

i can't believe how big they printed that pic.. my face is pretty and all but still

front page of today's guardian

Gay Girl in Damascus hoaxer accused of defending himself with new persona
Tom MacMaster says complimentary anonymous commenter in online forum using same IP address was friend who was visiting

There's probably something about Glastonbury in there today as well.

I almost felt a glimmer of jealousy about not being at Glastonbury, until I remembered the mud
And while staying at home, I learned that BBC2 sometimes still shows Pages from Ceefax

i thought this was going to be a clever 'i was at glastonbury and was envious of people who were not!' thing, but not even.

that was oddly formatted

they had it on in the pub last night. gosh young people's music is rubbish nowadays.

pretty sure young people don't like coldplay

'you have to be rich and old to go to glasto nowadays' - an embittered 90s guy

i don't hate coldplay, but i didn't enjoy the 8 or 9 suited-up Joy Div-alikes that seemed to be on all night.

the 8 or 9 suited-up Joy Div-alikes

see i stopped caring in about 2005 but this comment would have made sense even then...

it's like tunes and hooks are dead unfashionable. Jesse J is a bit of a disaster but getting that kid up to sing was quite cute. Our Han would've gone nutso.

the assassination of jesse j by the cowherd noodle vague

oh she is a Jessie with an i. i see. that pricetag song is a wee bit ironic considering how many adverts she's in.

pretty sure young people don't like coldplay

According to 16 yr old son, 'Coldplay were awesome'. He's such a disappointment sometimes.

dear me

at least in the 90s we liked sucky bands which were also new

lol billy

Fertility worldwide dropped but UK population rose by 470,000 in 2010 because, say experts, less educated had more children

entry level trolling http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/30/rupert-murdoch-monopoly-news-corp

McKenzie's not a troll, he's a cunt

the guardian is the troll

'cunt' is too good for mckenzie really

he is in my top 3 of blokes i'd like to meet in a lift whilst i'm carrying a lump-hammer

that's odd because he's in my top 3 of people who'd be markedly improved by being set on fire