US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

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Pawlenty, like Huntsman, is trying to distance himself from the past, and being called on it by bloggers

In 2006, Pawlenty wasn’t well liked by the far-right, as he defended big government, endorsed cap-and-trade, wanted to reimport prescription medication from Canada, and wanted officials to be more effective and aggressive in fighting the oil industry.

Everything he told Limbaugh yesterday, just like the new persona he’s struggling to adopt, just isn’t true.

And really, that’s just scratching the surface. Wonk Room ran a fact-check piece yesterday, noting seven obvious lies Pawlenty told yesterday, on issues ranging from health care on the nation’s finances. Similarly , the AP ran a similar piece, highlighting several more of the candidate’s falsehoods from yesterday.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_05/tim_pawlentys_version_of_the_t029786.php

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

Hopefully Biden won't give away the farm in debt talks today:

As much as the Ryan budget was a catastrophic political mistake for House Republicans, these talks – particularly today’s focus – offers an opportunity for Ryan and the GOP to save face. If they get a budget deal, especially one with cuts to Medicare or Medicaid, they can credibly say that their boldness to talk frankly about entitlements ended up succeeding in chipping away at the problem. And Democrats could hardly position themselves as the defenders of Medicare if they enact a grand bargain that shifts cost-sharing onto seniors.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/24/biden-debt-limit-talks-today-to-cover-medicare-medicaid/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

aren't most farms in debt?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

Not the corporate ones receiving government subsidies

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

scott brown/kathy hochul 2012? bipartisan boogaloo?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-24/democrat-leads-in-poll-before-today-s-n-y-congress-election.html

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

A Hochul victory would be “a major upheaval,” sending “a real message to the Republicans in Congress that the Medicare proposal is deadly,” Len Lenihan, the Erie County Democratic chairman, said in an interview

It takes a fear campaign on Medicare and a 3rd party Tea candidate for Dems to win in Republican districts like this one. And I hope Hochul does.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Tea party candidate.

Put the votes for the Tea party candidate and the Republican together and the Dem loses (Anti-Ryan medicare strategy or not)

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

yes it's very funny how non-binary parties work

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

A Hochul victory would be “a major upheaval,” sending “a real message to the Republicans in Congress that the Medicare proposal is deadly,” Len Lenihan, the Erie County Democratic chairman, said in an interview

It takes a fear campaign on Medicare and a 3rd party Tea candidate for Dems to win in Republican districts like this one. And I hope Hochul does.

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:15 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark

after which Obama may STILL put Medicare on the table.

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

Democrats could hardly position themselves as the defenders of Medicare if they enact a grand bargain that shifts cost-sharing onto seniors.

Bingo! Now just sit back and watch it happen, folks.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think we want to run so far away from ryan's slash-and-burn plan that we start saying medicare cost growth isn't a problem. it would outrun even clinton and (to my knowledge) pre-reagan tax regimes.

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link

Any plan that isn't as radical as the Ryan plan will belong exclusively to the Democrats, politically speaking, because the Republicans identified themselves with the Ryan plan. The Ryan plan will not happen, so they will not pay a political price for embracing it. otoh, the compromise plan will happen, and the entire political price among disgruntled seniors will be paid by the Dems. This is how it works out IRL.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

Many Washington observers expect that Biden and other negotiators in the White House-led talks will work right up to the Aug. 2 deadline. Some Republicans have suggested that markets would not necessarily be upset if they blow past it.

I guess Biden and Obama won't throw Congressional Democrats under the bus (a different cliche than I used earlier!)until August. It would be nice if Reid and others objected, but I'm not counting on it. Obama and the Dems should just stick with the already set out Dems Medicare proposal, but that's not their style.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

well here's something: all the "courageous" governors who have slashed "spending" may be hitting a wall pretty quick

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/88874/the-hidden-tradeoffs-gop-candidates

details from MN, NJ, TX, VA, IN. basically, fiscal discipline is a mirage, and massive property tax hikes from starving localities aren't. great job!

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Some Republicans have suggested that markets would not necessarily be upset if they blow past it.

very delicate journalistic style here

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

fiscal discipline is a mirage, and massive property tax hikes from starving localities aren't

Yeah, this is what I was saying about Pawlenty's "no tax increase" smoke and mirrors on the MN thread: while the value of my home plummeted in the last few years, my property taxes kept going up. I don't why it's headlined "hidden tradeoffs" though, it's painfully obvious.

The hoppiest hop hopper now with xtra hops (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RET2Z5AVJ8A

her face!

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

(at 1:03 when he calls her a liar)

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

oh god

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

Elijah Cummings (D-MD): Ohhhhhhh

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

In addition, Republicans criticized Warren and the CFPB for what they saw as discrepancies between the agency and the rest of the federal government. Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY), for example, pointed out the disparate salaries of bank regulators when compared to other federal workers, "The starting salary is $70,000, top salary is $140,000. Why are these folks getting paid much more than someone else in the federal government?" Warren tried to explain the rationale behind the pay scale -- regulatory agencies need to be competitive with banks to recruit the best talent -- but Buerkle wouldn't have it, and offered vague insinuations of misconduct as a response, "This is the government, not the private sector, and this regulatory agency needs to answer for a huge disparity regarding the federal jobs and these positions."

http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2011&base_name=whos_afraid_of_elizabeth_warre

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

need a warrenohface.gif

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

Wow -- Warren's lost a lot of weight.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

my god

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

she wants to punch the shit out of that guy

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Every time I've seen Elizabeth Warren speak on a talk show she immediately convinces me she's both the smartest and most compassionate person in the room.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

That entire clip is almost painful with stupidity. How DOES she stay so calm???

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

she is one of my wife's favorite ppl in the HLS sphere of influence

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

How is that guy the chairman. :(

polyphonic, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

she did the bk text i used when i was in school, so i went out and learned about her, it was <3 immed.

so come right back, we have count dracula and we have adam rich (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

Warren looks like the kind of woman who could recite Chapter Seven of The Wealth of Nations while draining snake poison from Mitch McConnell's leg.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

if you know what i mean

contenderizer, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

unfortunately the snake then died.

so come right back, we have count dracula and we have adam rich (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

amazing

goole, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

Dag. That guy is a grade-A dick. But what else is new, right?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

In other news, I'm not even going to post The Corner's gism-covered posts about Netanyahu's speech to Congress.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

well here's something: all the "courageous" governors who have slashed "spending" may be hitting a wall pretty quick

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/88874/the-hidden-tradeoffs-gop-candidates

details from MN, NJ, TX, VA, IN. basically, fiscal discipline is a mirage, and massive property tax hikes from starving localities aren't. great job!

what's especially funny here is that in NJ we went through that exact same thing a decade before with the pre-Chris Christie Christie. and Whitman came w/n a rat's hair of losing her job when the public figured it out.

“All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again,” indeed.

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

WTF they are seriously, seriously calling this Warren hearing "Who's Watching the Watchmen"????

akm, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

people behind warren in the still above appear to be enjoying the comedy

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

Yet another arrogant, entitled elitist appointee by the most arrogant, narcissist man on the planet. Who does she think she is to talk to members of Congress so rudely??
BY DISGUSTED WITH OBAMA on 05/24/2011 at 15:47

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

I'm positive Disgusted with Obama posts on this thread regularly.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

Hochul gonna win ny-26. Pretty good sign!

Clay, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

Not even really that close.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Good! Now maybe Steny Hoyer can shut the fuck up.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

Warren/Feingold 2012

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 11:31 (twelve years ago) link

morbius otm

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link

Hochul gonna win ny-26. Pretty good sign!

― Clay, Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:53 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Not even really that close.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, May 25, 2011

It's great that a Dem is winning in a traditional Republican district on a don't let the Republicans destroy medicare platform, but as I said yesterday if there wasn't a 3rd party candidate, she might have lost.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link


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