US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

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From the campaign on, Obama has rarely paid much lip service (fellatio or otherwise) to Israel. It just hasn't seemed anywhere near the top of his priorities, and when he does talk about it, it's pro forma palaver, devoid of much passion. So if he was going to stand-up to anyone, it'd be Israel/Netanyahu. If only he were so "tough" about domestic issues he and his constituents purportedly care about.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

I think part of it is that he doesn't perceive any political risks from being kinda dickish to Israel (ie, they need us WAY more badly than we need them, especially in the currently rapidly shifting political landscape of the Middle East)

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

quick question: which is more radical, a US president making explicit reference to the "1967 borders" in a speech about the middle east, or an Israeli PM calling the west bank "judea and samaria" on the floor of the US congress?

goole, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

did he really do that

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

jesus

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

no irony intended

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

did he call Iran the Persian Caliphate

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israeli-prime-minister-binyamin-netanyahus-address-to-congress/2011/05/24/AFWY5bAH_print.html

Now, this is not easy for me. It’s not easy...

... because I recognize that in a genuine peace, we’ll be required to give up parts of the ancestral Jewish homeland. And you have to understand this: In Judea and Samaria, the Jewish people are not foreign occupiers.

We’re not the British in India. We’re not the Belgians in the Congo. This is the land of our forefathers, the land of Israel, to which Abraham brought the idea of one God, where David set out to confront Goliath, and where Isaiah saw a vision of eternal peace.

No distortion of history -- and boy, am I reading a lot of distortions of history lately, old and new -- no distortion of history could deny the 4,000-year-old bond between the Jewish people and the Jewish land.

goole, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

ugh fucking noxious bullshit

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

so "giving up" the land that doesn't already have settlements, walled roads or military installations on it will be painful for bibi! i guess that makes it even then.

goole, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.min.us/icAP9I.png

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

NetanYahoo! Answers

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

How far back does Netanyahu's "dibs" go, exactly? Because by his standard there's got to be a whole lot of giving back around the world, if multi-millennial rights trump the present.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

oh thx a lot Bill

this fucking guy

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

Cockblocker-in-Chief

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

i had to spend a minute thinking abt grassley to figure out whether "Netanyahoo" was #shotsfired or not

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

bill's not wrong...?

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

he's not wrong, but saying that at this time = thinly coded message that Medicare being gutted is a likely Dem proposal

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

We’re not the British in India. We’re not the Belgians in the Congo. This is the land of our forefathers, the land of Israel, to which Abraham brought the idea of one God, where David set out to confront Goliath, and where Isaiah saw a vision of eternal peace.

real far-sighted there, isaiah!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

ahahaha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Clinton then told Ryan that if he ever wanted to talk about it, he should give him a call.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

"it" = "forcing the Democrats to abandon their we-have-a-plan-it's-called-Medicare proposal," not "French whores."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

are you sure you mean "not" and not "as well as"

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

is Ryan an expert in French whores or something

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

French manicures maybe

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

I am still getting petition emails urging my reps to push for Medicare-for-All. What planet are these libs living on?

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

Bacteria? Domestic companion animals? Clouds? Intangible concepts? Bad dates? Mets' economical situation?

For one throb of the (Michael White), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

"a bit of a Republican-on-Republican rumpus"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/politics/26medicare.html

Really could go without ever hearing this phrase again, thnx nytimes

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:15 (twelve years ago) link

But after a 2010 election that seemed to signal not only a Republican resurgence but also a rejection of big government and a need for bold, Tea Party-type steps to slash spending, the politics now look much more complicated. Both parties are being reminded anew that voters like the idea of budget cuts, but that they often recoil when those cuts threaten the programs that touch their lives.

NO SHIT

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

Droppin' knowledge.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 May 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

Obama needs to make Warren a recess appointment. McHenry and company will never let her get an up or down vote.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

little bit aero if you ask me

goole, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

voted most likely to become a euphemism for anal froth

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

The main target of the Democratic attacks, Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, who authored the GOP Medicare plan, conceded his proposal does give Democrats a political tool to hold up next fall.

"If you're willing to lie and demagogue Medicare and scare seniors, then yeah, they have a political weapon," Ryan told CNN.

awww pobrecito

metally ill (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

All he and the Republicans have to do is repeat that often enough and everyone will believe it; the news media think that actually judging statements on their merits is either beneath them or overly "partisan"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

/broken record

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

the media's power has its limits, a whole section of the GOPs constituency is genuinely freaked out by drastic changes to medicare, and that 'message' ie actual real thing has already percolated out there

what ryan is mad about is that his plan is supposed to lock in anyone who is 55 now (i think?) and start taking it away to anyone younger. and democrats are making it out (are they?) like it's going to be shut off next week for everyone.

but then ryan and his defenders are saying that nothing bad is going to happen to medicare, ever! it's just going to be cheaper and better and choicier.

goole, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

in truth i'm never happy when politics swings on the touchy selfishness of old people but it's working for "us" in this instance i guess /generationalgrievance

goole, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

in the meantime cornerites et al are making a deal out of how the WH-proposed budget got 100% no votes in the senate. i'm kind of assuming this is a procedural thing, but i don't know? anyone?

goole, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

total procedural thing AFAIK; the Democrats want to start over so all of them voted no

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

as an aside, WI is still interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/26/wisconsin.collective.bargaining/index.html?hpt=T2

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

Judge Maryann Sumi

you can find really terrific things written about her on some very informative websites and blogs! especially comments!

goole, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Posted this on The Corner thread:

Instead of being intimidated by the demagogues and their compliant MSM, find ways to out-message them. It's time to start explaining how messed-up Medicare already is. Somebody elaborated on this on the comment boards here just the other day. Also, find people over 55 who would rather have Ryancare than Medicare. They definitely exist, and their reasons will be illuminating.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

x-post re medicare

Karl Rove said the same thing in his Wall Street journal column:

Next year, Republicans must describe their Medicare reforms plainly, set the record straight vigorously when Democrats demagogue, and go on the attack. Congressional Republicans—especially in the House—need a political war college that schools incumbents and challengers in the best way to explain, defend and attack on the issue of Medicare reform. They have to become as comfortable talking about Medicare in the coming year as they did in talking about health-care reform last year.

There needs to be preparation and self-education, followed by extensive town halls, outreach meetings, visits to senior citizen centers, and the use of every available communications tool to get the reform message across.

http://nation.foxnews.com/karl-rove/2011/05/26/rove-op-ed-why-republican-lost-ny-26

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

Democrats won only because a third-party candidate—self-proclaimed tea partier Jack Davis—spent a reported $3 million of his own money.

More balderdash from the master.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

The Patriot Act stuff is so depressing. It's pathetic how few senators will support reform. Reid's eagerness to extend it with no changes is incredibly disappointing. Naive me expected a little better.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

Harry Reid has been an asshat.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link


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