Sorry - couldn't see xposts on the phone.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
No no there must have been this other book that we published that I picked up which also had a horse tribe of warlike people and their king took a wife from another society and their marriage had to be consummated out in the open in "horse" fashion in front of his entire assembled army or w/e and I must have conflated the two. I heartily apologize for this whole digression!!!!!
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf)...
yes, barf. in the TV show, though the scene cut early on, it seemed non-consensual. she was weeping, forced down (iirc?), etc.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
not barf at sex or even at the idea that she might have been attracted to drogo, but barf at lousy descriptions of sex in pulp novels
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
no
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
no?
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
new
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
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― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
ned stark is gonna be furious when khal drogo brings the rest of alien ant farm to his iron maiden revival gig
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
khal drogo's playing conan in shitty-looking new conan movie
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
If the fight scene in this episode is any indication, I may have to watch the Conan film.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
Not afraid of being typecast then
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
better to get stuck playing one kind of character than risk not playing any
― rockapads, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, casting OTM, can't imagine anyone better-suited to the part. maybe it'll be better than the previews...
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah fair play to him. If i had his brooding good looks and washboard abs i'm sure i'd be doing the same
― Number None, Thursday, 9 June 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
here's a pretty good (spoiler-free) article that argues that changes to catelyn and dany's character arcs have made them less interesting:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/05/10/game-of-thrones-feminism/
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
She took his hand and moved it down [CENSORED CENSORED NAUGHTY BUSINESS CENSORED]. “Yes,” she whispered as she put [CENSORED CENSORED GEORGE SHE'S THIRTEEN WHAT THE HELL CENSORED CENSORED].
...
The damsel in distress has been a stock character in melodrama for as long as melodrama has been around. So has the long-suffering wife who pines for her husband while he’s off grimly doing what needs to be done in the public sphere. There are elements of these stock characters in Daenerys Targaryen and Catelyn Stark. (Dany even took a couple of levels in the “white woman sexually menaced by a swarthy ethnic type” prestige class.) But in the books, this is not all there is to them, not even the main part of what there is to them, and in the series, at least in the pilot episode, it’s all that they are. Why this flattening? Well, both of these stock characters are women who have been damaged by a patriarchal system. This is an aspect of Cat and Dany’s stories, so that’s fine. But in the book, they are also a part of the same system that is grinding them down. They’ve got a role to play in that system, and each of them accepts, excels at, and even to a degree relishes that role. And this is too much complexity for a TV show to stomach, even an aitch-bee-oh TV show. It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing. Or perhaps they’re afraid that the audience will think the writers have forgotten it. Whatever the motivation, the televised version of these characters is sadly diminished.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
even an aitch-bee-oh TV show
Does HBO even trademark their network name to some crazy extent? Or is this just something that belongs in the IA thread? I hate when people do this for no other reason than to be "clever" or "funny".
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, like scare quotes
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, that was unnecessarily catty. but i did like the article (sort of) and didn't object to the silly spelling
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
um, not really equal imho. overuse of scare quotes is, but I think that was a pretty valid use of them.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't dismissing the article as a whole, I just find it hard to take people seriously when they take the time to type something out like that when it really serves little purpose.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
its a blog post... who cares...
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
So sensitive. You guys act like I'm the first poster ever on ilx to point out something annoying.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
i just love parity
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
and in the series, at least in the pilot episode
not to rush to judgments or anything
― Gukbe, Friday, 10 June 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing.
Well, considering the current relationship status between Dany and Drogo, we're still at a point where we might "forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing."
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Also, I hope that the poster who complained about my speculation was just being a hyper-sensitive spoilerphobe (which I consider myself to be one, incidentally) and not someone who read the book and took my speculation as, you know, a spoiler.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Btw, I started reading the book, and damn aitch-bee-oh changed a whole lot. For instance, in the book, Bran only caught Jaime and Cersei wrestling!
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the assumption that he was too young to understand what they were doing?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
or are you joking and I'm looking pretty stupid?
The second one. ^_^
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
this is on tonight?
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
just a lil nude wrestling between siblings, lets be cool
― ☂ (max), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Welcome to TNA Monday Night Incest Wrestling!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
VG, did I ever tell you that I like the way you think?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I think you just did :)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
did everybody else know that was going to happen but me? like...whut?
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
My wife smacked me when it happened, "what the fuck? How could they? ARRGH". In other words, no. :)
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
but he's on the poster! THE POSTER!
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the dude, but in retrospect, i guess he was pretty shit at the Game of Thrones.
Pretty much what my wife was getting at!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
Holding that secret has been killing me
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
Me too!!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
me too!
sigh
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link