She took his hand and moved it down [CENSORED CENSORED NAUGHTY BUSINESS CENSORED]. “Yes,” she whispered as she put [CENSORED CENSORED GEORGE SHE'S THIRTEEN WHAT THE HELL CENSORED CENSORED].
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The damsel in distress has been a stock character in melodrama for as long as melodrama has been around. So has the long-suffering wife who pines for her husband while he’s off grimly doing what needs to be done in the public sphere. There are elements of these stock characters in Daenerys Targaryen and Catelyn Stark. (Dany even took a couple of levels in the “white woman sexually menaced by a swarthy ethnic type” prestige class.) But in the books, this is not all there is to them, not even the main part of what there is to them, and in the series, at least in the pilot episode, it’s all that they are. Why this flattening? Well, both of these stock characters are women who have been damaged by a patriarchal system. This is an aspect of Cat and Dany’s stories, so that’s fine. But in the book, they are also a part of the same system that is grinding them down. They’ve got a role to play in that system, and each of them accepts, excels at, and even to a degree relishes that role. And this is too much complexity for a TV show to stomach, even an aitch-bee-oh TV show. It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing. Or perhaps they’re afraid that the audience will think the writers have forgotten it. Whatever the motivation, the televised version of these characters is sadly diminished.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
even an aitch-bee-oh TV show
Does HBO even trademark their network name to some crazy extent? Or is this just something that belongs in the IA thread? I hate when people do this for no other reason than to be "clever" or "funny".
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, like scare quotes
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, that was unnecessarily catty. but i did like the article (sort of) and didn't object to the silly spelling
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
um, not really equal imho. overuse of scare quotes is, but I think that was a pretty valid use of them.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't dismissing the article as a whole, I just find it hard to take people seriously when they take the time to type something out like that when it really serves little purpose.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
its a blog post... who cares...
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
So sensitive. You guys act like I'm the first poster ever on ilx to point out something annoying.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
i just love parity
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
and in the series, at least in the pilot episode
not to rush to judgments or anything
― Gukbe, Friday, 10 June 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
It’s like the writers are afraid that if Daenerys enjoys the sex, the audience will forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing.
Well, considering the current relationship status between Dany and Drogo, we're still at a point where we might "forget that politically expedient quasi-consensual child marriages are a BAD thing."
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Also, I hope that the poster who complained about my speculation was just being a hyper-sensitive spoilerphobe (which I consider myself to be one, incidentally) and not someone who read the book and took my speculation as, you know, a spoiler.
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Saturday, 11 June 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
Btw, I started reading the book, and damn aitch-bee-oh changed a whole lot. For instance, in the book, Bran only caught Jaime and Cersei wrestling!
― Doctoral Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the assumption that he was too young to understand what they were doing?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
or are you joking and I'm looking pretty stupid?
The second one. ^_^
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
this is on tonight?
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah
― Number None, Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
just a lil nude wrestling between siblings, lets be cool
― ☂ (max), Sunday, 12 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Welcome to TNA Monday Night Incest Wrestling!
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
VG, did I ever tell you that I like the way you think?
― E.L. Doctorow Who (Leee), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I think you just did :)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
did everybody else know that was going to happen but me? like...whut?
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
My wife smacked me when it happened, "what the fuck? How could they? ARRGH". In other words, no. :)
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
but he's on the poster! THE POSTER!
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
I liked the dude, but in retrospect, i guess he was pretty shit at the Game of Thrones.
Pretty much what my wife was getting at!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
Holding that secret has been killing me
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
Me too!!
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
me too!
sigh
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'm glad I haven't read the books, and I think I'll give up on reading them. However, I was so sure something was going to turn up to save Ned (a Raven informing them of Jamie's capture was my bet) that I didn't really appreciate the death. I liked the silence as he looked over the crowd though.
― Gukbe, Monday, 13 June 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i think the reason its so effective is because it keeps reminding you of ned's plot armor - and then kills him anyway
http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/1982565/date/ZeNDZmVEbWFxbuTtbmZ
skip to about 9:00
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Monday, 13 June 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man. I knew what was coming and I *still* bawled.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
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lol now holding the OTHER secrets is killing me
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
shh
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haha this is how i felt when i read the book
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
LOL!
― schwantz, Monday, 13 June 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
ahahaha
― all the pretty HOOSes (gbx), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
is this other secret going to be revealed next week?
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
... depends on the secret
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
(to max's post)
― magic punani (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
there are roughly 1m more secrets coming
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
the interviews with Sean Bean after the airing of this episode are pretty interesting
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, seems like a lot of internet folks are pretty pissed at the ending of this episode
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
omg TamTam that video
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
people who haven't read the book? or?
― ☂ (max), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
xp
― Number None, Monday, 13 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen comments along the lines of "what's the point in even watching if your favourite characters are just gonna get killed all the time"
My wife is still pissed about it. She sent me an email over lunch that just read "I still can't belive they killed him!".
"what's the point in even watching if your favourite characters are just gonna get killed all the time"
Not fans of The Wire either, eh?
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 June 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link