I HATE APPLE

man r screenshots not enough for you WHAT DO U WANT

on the other hand ive been lead to believe their may be a thriving online blackmarket for such things as macintosh applications, i hear the prices are quite resonable

yes i have just "found" it

i really hope this is a 1.0 thing with apple store rather than a trend

If you need a news reader just buy it, it's immense. Makes NNW look like some ancient OS 9 piece of shit.

Agreed. I switched to Reeder once the 1.0 release came out and am very glad I did.

stet, if you mean nnw looks like a desktop app and reeder looks like an ipad app then yeah, i guess. i like how the "reeder/ios" appearance is the default, and if you select standard it looks like a blue ipad app instead of a brown one.

I'm kind of scared "ios appearance" is going to get overused in a lot of Mac OS apps now :/

i would just like to say that having scroll bars fade out after a few tenths of a second is possibly the stupidest UI decision i have ever seen in a mac app (apart from using helvetica obv.) seriously, this guy must have spent literally days breaking scrollbars rather than using the cocoa toolkit.

there is no way to rename subscriptions

Until extremely late in the beta cycle, there was no way to add subscriptions

line spacing in the reader panel looks like it's at about 200% (which is lol stupid)

the default font is at 16pt (thank you but my mac is in the same room as me, so 12pt will be fine)

I don't mine the font size too much since I have one of those 15" MBPs with the high resolution screen

everything looks awesome, though

i jack up the font size on just about everything if i can.

the line spacing is far too big. this is a reading app. dude should go and look at a book some time.

scrolling is hilarious. he's taken the trouble to break scrolling itself as well as the scrollbars (highlighted stays in the middle of the column as you move down so you have no sense of where you are in the list.

tbf, it is extremely snappy.

is reeder better than newsfire?

what if you don't use google reader?

why would you choose to use google reader, if you don't already use it?

google reader is just a data store for reeder. you don't need to use it after you've set up the account.

if newsfire works for you then it's probably fine, but the developer is kind of a legendary weirdo asshole.

why would you choose to use google reader, if you don't already use it?

Because it provides syncing between devices in a fairly reasonable way and if you're ever stuck at a computer anywhere you can use it!

Also, it has some somewhat flakey but useful social interaction

Lion has the ios toolbars too. We're going to go through a huge apple-led iosification now. Starting with iCal.

Still, survived brushed metal, can survive this..

sure, i'm not bothered about the chrome too much. that's not what i'm talking about.

i'm talking about the way the UI works, not the way it looks.

The not-slider sliders

i'm counting setting your display defaults so you can view 10 lines on a 15" screen as "the way the UI works"

I can get way more than 10 lines on my 11".

Also: the no-demo thing is definitely not a 1.0 thing. They've had years to do it on the ios app store and haven't.. At least on Mac devs can offer separate downloadable demos. On the plus side: way lower prices.

I can get way more than 10 lines on my 11".

^^^ braggin'

ok, i just counted. you get 17 lines of text with the defaults font and window size. if you maximize the window like people do on windows ca. 1994, or on an ipad, you get 24.

I think it's based on readability, which tbh I am loving more and more as my eyes get old. Years ago I wld have set this to monaco 10 straight off.

Full-screen in lion is actually p. nice, but only on small screen. Pointless on big monitors.

the reeder website doesn't publicly offer a demo fwiw. it offers six screenshots and the explanation "reeder is a google reader client", which doesn't really tell you what it's like to use. that hardly matters less on iphone where most apps are like 99p.

16pt fonts are big but at least you can change that. massive line spacing like this _impairs_ readability and wastes space. and you can't change it.

the scrollbars and scroll behaviour are pretty much indefensible.

if newsfire works for you then it's probably fine, but the developer is kind of a legendary weirdo asshole

i know, right? you can't delete the "david watanabe products newsfeed" on newsfire!!

still, i keep buying his stuff (see also: xtorrent)

ok, it's not reeder's fault: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/21/apple_leaks_new_scroll_bar_ui_details_in_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html

just wow.

Reeder doesn't use the system implementation, so it's probably more glitchy than the upcoming Lion one, but you are correct: the whole OS is getting those.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Lot of old-school people going to hate Lion at first, I think. It even changes the direction of two-finger scroll to match iOS.

OK, that will drive me nuts.

i don't mind if they get rid of scrollbars, since most people haven't clicked them for years, but they need to be replaced with something show the user where they are in a document. not having that information presented appropriately is one of the big problems people have with magazine and book reading apps. and apparently now i have to scroll around in the document to make the scrollbar appear so that i can find out where i was before i scrolled around? and this is all so i can get an extra 20px on my 1500px wide display?

not feeling that at all

getting rid of them on iphone makes sense because you rarely work with long documents on a phone, and in any case, horizontal space is so valuable that its worth the lost information.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Lot of old-school people going to hate Lion at first, I think. It even changes the direction of two-finger scroll to match iOS.

99% sure there's an option to flip it back, but they'll probably just remove it in 10.8.

I've not used the new scrolling yet but I think it'll feel intuitive pretty quickly.

how will you intuit where you are in a document?

lol

i feel like AA on a checkboxes tip here, but this is so, so stupid. if they want to put in some useless feature like the zooming dock thing that looks pretty and makes people go woooo in an apple store then that's fine. but this is bullshit.

I agree that removing the scrollbar is mentalist btw

I never really pay attention to where I am on the page until I'm scrolling, so I don't know yet if I'll be annoyed at having to do so. I can see it being more annoying on a mouse with an actually wheel, but the two-fingers-on-trackpad gesture is ok.

dont knock it til u try it

Reckon the Apple menu will be gone by 10.9, and it'll be hilarious.

you can turn the scrollbars back on, i've just seen, but I haven't because it turns out I don't care. They flash when a document arrives or when you scroll, so I pretty much always know how where I am.

scroll bar is excellent for letting you know how much clusterfuck is left in clusterfuck threads

otm

THOU SHALLT HAVE NO FILE SYSTEM DICK!

Wireless is fucked on my mbp, evidently due to a s/w haemorrhage. Trying to get web help on wireless issues is always the worst but apparently reinstalling the whole twatting os fixes it

Often it's enough to delete the relevant networking/AirPort preference files in your Library folder. Give it a try.