Taking sides: John Lennon vs Paul McCartney

McCartney is mostly Beatles "Hey Jude", "Let it Be", and so on

In the case of Lennon, don't forget he wrote "I Am The Walrus", "Strawberry Fields Forever", "A Day In The Life", "Tomorrow Never Knows", "Help" and "I Feel Fine".

by xxxxxxxx Monday, October 25, 2010 at 08:15 PM

John Lennon was beast, he still is and maybe somewhere he really does have a big grin on his face.

Yknow, these days I'm in the George camp

Me too.

The George and John relationship was very interesting. It seemed to come to an end abruptly in 1974 after a dispute about the dissolution of the Beatles. There's a great description from McCartney's Playboy interview:

Then there was the time when we had all arrived for the big
dissolution meeting in the Plaza Hotel in New York. There were
green-baize tables--like the Geneva Conference it was--with millions of
documents laid out for us to sign. George had just come off tour, I'd
flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I
think, and. . . John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the
park! George got on the phone, yelled, "Take those fucking shades off and
come over here, you!" John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon
delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite
far out.

As Albert Goldman notes -seemingly accurately - the next night John and George were reconciled socially (John attended George's end of tour party), but their personal relationship was at an end.

George has been my favorite for years

LOL, what a dickhead

Paul OTM

The Long and Whining Low Road

Whinge At the Speed of Sound

I saw McCartney live last night. Good show! Highpoint was him playing Blackbird alone. Low-point: Obladi Oblada, obviously...

Fox News strangebo chimes in on comments, calls Paul McCartney our greatest living rock star. McCartney says there has been a lot of revisionism. Yes, Paul, there definitely has been: for example, there are now plenty of people claiming Paul McCartney is better than John Lennon. Given Paul's bottomless need for ego reinforcement he'd probably enjoy the direction this site has gone lately. He's probably here already. Anybody appearing lately named "Maxwell Silver Hummer" or "The Jailer Man & Sailor Sam"?

I don't want to get into solo stuff though. Life is too short to listen to Beatle solo albums. FWIW the example offered: Imagine vs. Let Em In: I'd rather hear Let Em In. Score one for Paul, but

the choice means about as much as whether I'd rather eat a can of Pringles or a bag of Doritos. (Pringles, for now).

Anyway here we go:

http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/07/05/paul-mccartney-reignites-decades-old-feud-with-yoko-ono-recalls-lennon-resentments

warning - this website's load-and-readability is spazztazmish

Maybe they were both good but different.

If only there were a way to decide

I like how paul expects respect for being honest about his egomania

LOL how George and Ringo were all "equal-ish" right there alongside Paul. He must have watched The Beatles Anthology too many times.

Last two posts otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTYXXg9ZZI

the combo of manspread + sick burn at 2:03 is amazing

Meh, this is one of those "I'd imagine he has a point but maybe it wasn't expressed perfectly (or maybe it didn't translate all that well through the Daily Mail), thus enabling haters to hate" things.

http://www.bsmph.com/Attorneys/Paul-W-Mccartney.shtml
http://www.piercecouch.com/john-c-lennon/

Well, John wasn't "The Beatles", and nor was he responsible for every great song The Beatles wrote and recorded, so Paul is very much OTM. People often forget that before he was tragically murdered, Lennon was perceived as being washed up and past it.

Dude should be forced to watch Wingspan clockwork orange style until he accepts that he's gotten enough recognition

like how paul expects respect for being honest about his egomania

Why can't he be more like the humble Lennon? I put it to you, America!

[comedy Yoko accent]

fwiw, the originals on Please Please Me are credited to "McCartney - Lennon."

Yes, but McCartney should have been upper case, at the very least.

The year before Lennon died John was on year 4 of being a stay at home dad. Which must have taken some amount of humility.

In that year Paul released Back to the Egg (1979) featured McCartney's collaboration with a rock supergroup dubbed "the Rockestra". Credited to Wings, the band included Pete Townshend, David Gilmour, Gary Brooker, John Paul Jones and John Bonham.

Paul's ego is insatiable, I'm picturing a giant crevice in the earth, dumptrucks full of acclaim pulling up to try to fill it.... Go on, now, feed it some burning straw men labeled "How Dare People Say John Lennon Was The Beatles," never mind that this is not and never was a thing. Poor Paul, he's only had 35 years to set the record straight. I always thought it was unfair that John Lennon was murdered but I didn't realize it was especially unfair to Paul.

I'm not saying there's a picture of Paul McCartney in the dictionary as an illustration for the term "unreliable narrator." I'm saying that if you mentioned the concept of unreliable narrator to him, he'd tell you that he invented it.

never forget

As my wife said despondently an hour after the event: "Why is it always Bobby Kennedy or John Lennon? Why isn't it Richard Nixon or Paul McCartney?"

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/lennon-80.php

All he needs to do is release "Carnival of Light" maybe on RSD, get the Boredoms to do a remix on side B.

I'm saying that if you mentioned the concept of unreliable narrator to him, he'd tell you that he invented it.

heh

Nixon/McCartney did some good tunes together, man. Anyway, I'm so grateful not to have a spouse who records every crazy thing I say around the house for posterity (nor would I do that to my spouse).

Excuse me, McCartney/Nixon, if you don't mind.

Nixon version of "Let 'Em In" is incredible

Listen to what the crook said.

Listen to What the Man Said Using a Voice Activated Taping System Installed In Various Rooms in the White House

Pat

"paul's solo work really was the best, there's some real gems in there" must be the rock snob version of "you know, nixon really was a pretty good president."

Egomania, justified egomania ... I can only imagine how much effort it has taken Paul not to say something stupid about his erstwhile bandmates over the past several decades, let alone after George and John died. All in the name of I guess good taste, or deference to friends or family. If anything I sort of admire his restraint. Thumbs aloft!

"How Do You Sleep" is more dickish (and paranoid and largely unprovoked) than anything McCartney's done or said about Lennon.

As bad as convincing all the other Beatles to not quit the band and then without telling anyone publicly breaking up the band w a press release included in his solo album?

Lennon was a dick as well. Okay, end of discussion.

wait waht How Do You Sleep was in response to Too Many People, I thought...?

Following the release of McCartney's album Ram earlier that year, Lennon felt attacked by McCartney, who later admitted that lines in the song "Too Many People" were intended as digs at Lennon

Yeah, I mean, he basically had the farm in Scotland for the sole purpose of growing weed, didn't he?

"They were sent to us by fans! We just planted them and uh... they came up that way!"

... and writing "Mull of Kintyre". (xp)

Thanks Westboro Baptist Church for the warm welcome! #OneOnOne pic.twitter.com/KZmycxMgq9

— Paul McCartney (@PaulMcCartney) July 20, 2017

Hah!!

My friend who DJs pre-show for Macca was out there, in his white suit and waving a rainbow flag.

cool! he did a great job! it was a nice mix of Love-style remixes and classic 60s souls covers of Beatles material

xpost hah he played Let Me Roll It early in the set i bet it was a nod to the stoners in the audience

for Temporary Secretary he had this kraftwerk style vector graphics and for Live and Let Die there was a Metallica-style stage show that would explode whenever he sang "Die" and it was as loud as indoor fireworks i lolled every time. it was cool to hear him tell stories, even if you have heard the one about Jimi Hendrix playing Sgt. Pepper a million times, to hear the person who was there talk about running into "Mick and Keith" it was fucking awesome and yes this is a huge part of the live show, seeing the Beatle tell these famous stories, for he is this living legend, who has lived this amazing life, and seen so much, and is a great storyteller.

he did Something on ukulele, and told a story of first doing this for George while they were hanging out at the Harrison's estate and it was really beautiful, it segued into a full band section at one point that was cool. he did one encore that included a rad Birthday. his voice was impressive throughout, only being a little weak during the high points of Maybe I'm Amazed, giving the performance a sense of self reflective nostalgia or wisdom or something else human and profound. at the end of the show he invited two groups of fans onstage to get autographs and introduce themselves. one girl showed up with a poster that told her parents she was coming out, and it was a very emotional moment, and Paul said some words in support and thanked her for coming to the show. then a family went onstage wearing matching Sgt. Pepper costumes that the mother had sewn (she told him she was a seamstress) and Paul singed them and thanked them for coming. the husband's name was Hank which was kind of eerie for me because my grandfather just passed this year and his name was Hank. it was very weird because they were a 4 piece family and i had gone to the show with my mom and two brothers. it really felt like an out of body experience.

paul did the ukulele thing with "something" when i saw him at coachella back in, i think, 2009. it was gorgeous and moving and one of the concert experiences that really has stuck w/ me through all these years.

apart from the half-assed lyrics, you can tell Drive My Car is a McCartney composition from the discrepancy between the mediocre melody and the all-time bass line

lmao

Yeah fuck that guy

How Do You Sleep? studio video

wow that's pretty awesome

yeah! a few months ago for the solo poll i was trying to hunt down any footage i could find of those sessions, so it's really cool to see this now. klaus voormann looks like he's falling asleep, ha!

i'm guessing this bit from the accompanying article - "What you do have on "How Do You Sleep? (takes 5 & 6)" is a brilliant slide guitar performance from the former Beatle George Harrison" - is referring to something on the boxset, not the video, because george looks like he's still trying to figure it out a bit

yeah I don't think that was the final take used on the released recording

Great video, thanks for sharing. They love cigarettes and Dr Pepper

still waiting for McCartney to die (preferably in a public and horrible accident) so I can celebrate and piss off all the fucking awful hippies in my town who unironically listen to his worst Beatles tracks to this day

I hate him so much, more than any other musician I can think of except for the guys in Foreigner and Toto, and even they aren't as fucking annoying

so, yeah, Lennon.

absolute proof that we live in a world with no God is shown by the fact that Bowie died before McCartney

actually it proves the opposite, god clearly prefers to hear music live

sleeve calm down

Yeah great take !
And Klaus V certainly hadn’t smoked only Gitanes...
As for McCartney haters, they shouldn’t wish for his death because when that day comes, he and his music will be inescapable in all medias for a little while !

still waiting for McCartney to die (preferably in a public and horrible accident) so I can celebrate and piss off all the fucking awful hippies in my town who unironically listen to his worst Beatles tracks to this day

I hate him so much, more than any other musician I can think of except for the guys in Foreigner and Toto, and even they aren't as fucking annoying

so, yeah, Lennon.

― sleeve, Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:33 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know we all enjoy our internet hyperbole but please fuck off with wishing death on anyone because you don't like their music

man those sessions rule, good jammin from all