Is "Remain In Light" a good entry point for the Talking Heads?

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My entry point was the "Once In a Lifetime" video on MTV in 1982. That was quite the brain-fry.

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I just ordered 'Remain In Light' a few days ago and am now hotly anticipating a funky, squelchy mindfuck of a record thanks to everyone bigging it up. If it arrives and turns out to be a cheap devo imitation then the disappointment is likely to kill me.

Oliver Pyper (stickthrower), Sunday, 6 June 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes because Talking Heads were imitating Devo all along!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 6 June 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

What's wrong with chronological progression?

77
more songs about building and food
then the eno tryptich.

then stop making sense.

fear of music is undoubtably one of the most perfect records start to finish ever made. but since practically every record th ever made has its own sense of genius, yr bound to enjoy it all. (Pre-1986 IMO). the once in a lifetime boxset is worth it for 'storytelling giants' alone, but it does bring in the whole album context argument, which certainly matters, in a clash on broadway sense.

pher (pher), Sunday, 6 June 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I would also suggest chronological order. The first one is great but would probably seem a bit out-of-place if you begin with Remain In Light.

strom, Sunday, 6 June 2004 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I started with Fear Of Music. I'd say that's a good entry point for anyone.

zebedee (zebedee), Sunday, 6 June 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I would just like to thank MTV/VH1 circa 1987-1988 for actually playing old videos like "Burning Down The House" and "Once In A Lifetime."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

glad these are getting remastered because Fear of Music and Remain in Light really sound like crap on CD.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

stay away from that box set! stupid selection of rare/alternative versions etc -- no "Electricity" -- plus stolid pacing equals dud. stick w/the original LPs and Sand in the Vaseline and the live ones.

lovebug starski, Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Avoid the first LP. 'Fear of Music' is best. Side one of 'Remain in Light' is also best, but more rock-crit friendly. Ultimately, the idea of entry points is wrong: if you like 'RIL', proceed; if not, don't.

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing enrique said is right in any way!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I will agree that Fear Of Music is "best," at least (and, at least on this thread, 77 is kind of overrated).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

at least.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think '77' is rub, and I like the Heads. Sonny, do you prefer side 2 of 'RIL'?

ERQ (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If anything side 2 of RIL is more rock-crit friendly. The only people I've met who are nuts about My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts and Joy Division homages are those types, where as pop fans would probably prefer "Once In A Lifetime" (though is that on side 1 on the LP? I've got the album on CD and am just assuming it ends side 1 so the album splits evenly).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, the rock crit ref was needless ILMing, mmm, though I [not a rock crit] quite like 'My Life...' (I mean, it's a bit iffy) if not any of the JoyDiv stuff.

'Fear of Music' might be more of a grower, originally my fave was 'RIL' but perhaps I find it a bit strident now.

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

1) i love 77.. I guess this is a taste issue

2) I like the first side of RiL more but I don't see what "more rock crit friendly" has to do with it... I find RiL more enjoyable than Fear of Music in a most non-crit-like way

3) the idea of an "entry point" makes perfect sense. If not, why not recommend he start with 77? why recommend anything at all? The first album you buy from a given group most definitely influences how you hear their other albums

xpost obv

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Fear of Music is definitely a grower, though there are definite standouts for people to latch onto.. More casual music listeners seem to prefer it, though, which I find strange

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

My entry point was 'The Best of Talking Heads' borrowed off someone. I don't recommend this at all!

'FOM' is sort of very conventional AND very not at the same time, I think...

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Start with More Songs About Buildings and Food, you freaks!!

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone's got to agree with me on this; the album is way less homogenous than Remain in Light (if less "adventurous"), more funky than Fear of Music, and their overall best if you ask me. Oh yeah, and it's got "Found a Job" on it.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Found a Job is a top track.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it okay to like 'Take me to the River'?

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure. (As that's about one of the six or songs I like by them, so beware my bias. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Take Me to the River" is one of their best singles, IMO

Clarke is right. If I could do it again I would start with More Songs. (BUt i started with RiL, so i guess that works too!!)

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, cool, I like 'Buildings' in that case.

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

One random thing about Remain in Light that kinda surprised me -- I read an interview with Adrian Belew a while ago where he said he basically recorded all his parts in a day. The basic tracks were already done, they invited him in, and he just went and sort of made things up as he listened. His guitar sounds have always seemed so integral to the record that it just seemed weird to me that it was basically a drive-by cameo.

spittle (spittle), Monday, 7 June 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"found a job" is absolutely spectacular. easily my favorite talking heads song. (and that's saying something for me because they have plenty of good tunes.)

unfortunately "take me to the river" has been ground into dust for me. someone i know had a talking fish gadget that played a sample of it and that someone, who was six years old, loved to make the fish talk, and therefore that song triggers my strangle reflex.
m.

msp, Monday, 7 June 2004 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got one of those, it is by far my least fav rendition of the song tho the charm of the singer goes a long way towards making me bear it. I recommend starting w/"Buildings and Food" too, it does pop and gradually lets you realise how great Eno's shit on it is

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 7 June 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought all of them as they came out and (as I wrote on another thread only last week) I reckon:

'77 > Fear Of Music > Speaking In Tongues > Remain In Light > Little Creatures > More Songs About Buildings And Food.

However, much as I love it, I don't think '77's particularly representative as a first purchase.

If you must get a comp. then get Once In A Lifetime / Sand In The Vaseline; if you want a studio album then Fear Of Music's probably the one to go for; but I think the absolute best thing you can do is to get yourself the DVD of Stop Making Sense.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 7 June 2004 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"Is it getting re-released ONLY in DVD audio, or also in a regular CD version?"

Broken Witch, I'm sure there'll be a standard CD remaster as well as the DVD-audio version. It isn't clear yet when either will be coming out, though — hopefully by the end of the year.

Jesse Lawson (eatandoph), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Lately, More Songs About Buildings And Food is the first album of their's I will reach for. Then Remain In Light. Then Naked. It seems like nobody else likes Naked.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

David Byrne's 'The Catherine Wheel' ranks with 'Bush of Ghosts' and the Eno trilogy (for me)

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Name Of This Band... reissued at last - hot damn!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the catherine wheel is very good actually. I used to really like naked but now I actually hate it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Little Creatures might actually make a good entry point for Talking Heads, because hearing every album other than that after that one = the band just keeps sounding more and more awesomer.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

no. it's dated. it's world meets funk. it is foreshadowing almost everything boring david byrne has done after the talking heads. i bought it recently and it turned me off the talking heads. get the double live the name of this band.... that't the bouncing spasmodic addictive new sound of new york of the late seventies. much better than stop making sense. which was already a cash-in.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 7 June 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I was woken up this morning by my stereo playing "The Great Curve" and it was the first time I'd heard it. I think my head must have been in a fug because I thought the lyrics were "She is looking through the spirit world/She has messages for everybody" and that it was a spooky song about a medium. I was quite disappointed when I googled the lyrics later.

Louis Giomblechett and his kerayzy friends (dog latin), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

wow, that was awesome, thanks.

Iago Galdston, Monday, 29 April 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link

excellent picture quality

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

great clip. i think this is their best album. it still sounds futuristic somehow.

the gentrification of chill (Pat Finn), Monday, 29 April 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

goddam, that's a hell of a thing. wish to god i'd seen this version of the band, and agree that it still sounds fresh. except maybe for the frippertronic gtr, for w/e reason? dig it, but it seems somehow of a moment.

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Monday, 29 April 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

wowwww

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2013 02:23 (eleven years ago) link

3:33 on is ridiculous

adam, Monday, 29 April 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

will agree that more than 10 minutes of Belew's screech-o-tronics is way more than we need

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 02:32 (eleven years ago) link

Loved them during that era

http://talkingheadsconcerthistory.blogspot.com/2013/01/1982.html

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 April 2013 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

lol what is Tina Weymouth even doing in this clip cuz it isn't playing bass

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think Byrne's guitar is plugged in either. Nevertheless that's completely marvellous.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

weymouth's definitely playing, i think she and busta jones are doubling parts most of the time -- you can hear weymouth do some slides that jones isn't doing there.

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

belew is amazing, though someone should've talked to him about his wardrobe. Nona Hendryx is a dazzling ray of light.

― tylerw, Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM (1 hour ago)

That's Dolette McDonald in that clip, though, right?

What makes a man start threads? (WilliamC), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

yep

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

i kinda like the implication that that's how belew dressed when byrne/demme weren't stage-directing everything

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

my favorite part of the commentary on the SMS dvd is when there's a water bottle in the bottom corner of a shot and byrne says "that shouldn't be there"

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago) link

xp watch the vids of belew in king crimson wearing a pink suit.

sleepingsignal, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

I watched that Live in Rome concert from the same tour recently and Belew gets to be a bit much over the course of it.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link

That's Dolette McDonald in that clip, though, right?
oops, my bad - Dolette McDonald is a dazzling ray of light

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeTcrvSQms

The Reverend, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Lol "Houses in Moion" totally jacks "Better By the Pound"

Jacks as in,"they're both funk-based and in the same key"?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link

yeah and "houses" is slower

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

i mean i tried to verify the similarity by working out the rhythm parts to both, but found that i own no instrments and do not know how to play them anyway

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

still i drop the needle on the last :10 of "better by the pound" and it all makes sense

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

Saw Angelique Kidjo do a bunch of songs from Remain in Light last night, outside W. DC. Femi Kuti opened. Kidjo and band's renditions mostly worked, though on some songs I don't like her changes to the vocal flow and vocal melodies.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link

Cool you saw her

Dreadnought of chicanery (Ross), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link

Kidjo's bringing this tour to the US now, and said onstage she wants to bring it everywhere including Africa

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link

She encored with "Burning Down The House" the night before.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link

sounds like a party!

niels, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link

bringing this tour to the US now

?? as opposed to April & May, when she was touring it in the US?

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link

She said onstage last night outside DC in Virginia that the show was the second of her tour. I guess she has separated this current tour from the April/May one you are referring to. Or perhaps I misheard her.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link

actually, looks like she may have only done three dates on the west coast in May (though she'd also done it at least in NYC a year earlier) - I was bummed because promo and TV appearances all happened after the Seattle show, which I hadn't heard about, but that could have been the first one, and was before the album release.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

her version of listening wind is amazing

Ross, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link


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