US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

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but i think the point is that the 'explanation' wouldnt really matter? all that matters is that democrats are for calorie counts/healthy lunches/local food

☂ (max), Friday, 17 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

I think framing the debate as "we might be trying to tell you what to eat but at least we aren't trying to kill you" should be possible

chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Friday, 17 June 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

http://vimeo.com/25237798

polyphonic, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

unbelievable.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

producer of this ad also did the demon sheep and the "i'm not a witch" ad.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

I have the right not to be informed of facts by the government. Keep your facts off my body!!!!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 June 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder who that mysterious ad paid for by jon huntsman was about

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 17 June 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

AARP Is Open to Cuts for Social Security Benefits

now Obama has cover if he wants to slash Social Security ...

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Saturday, 18 June 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

old motherfuckers be entitled and shit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 18 June 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link

Obama: smarter than his lawyers.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 11:40 (twelve years ago) link

old motherfuckers be entitled and shit

it's not gonna be the old motherfuckers who will get fucked. it's gonna be you, me, and practically everyone on this listserve (i.e., anyone 45 and under) if SS is "reformed."

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Saturday, 18 June 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

the old motherfuckers will be fucked if Medicaid is gutted, though. Medicaid is what pays for long-term care in nursing homes and assisted living facilities for many elderly folks.

I-95 Phuck Phace (Eisbaer), Saturday, 18 June 2011 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait for the Civil War of 2025 fought over Social Security benefits

why i am an anarcho-sandwich artist (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 June 2011 13:23 (twelve years ago) link

I've got a few decades before I hit social security age, but I've honestly never expected to receive a single payout.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

crucial part of u not caring when it goes

only pick one (meme) (Hunt3r), Saturday, 18 June 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Crucial part of not caring about me, yeah. Does not preclude me from caring about others.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

Honest question: how much does SS pay out a month, on average? Is it even enough for someone to live on now?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

whether it's enough to live on depends on your payout and standard of living i guess, but social security is primary source of income for elderly women.

only pick one (meme) (Hunt3r), Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

i fugured my SS payment would be around 1300 a month

brownie, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

figured

brownie, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

I'm all for smashing the state BAMN if they try to deny us our SS payouts, btw

already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

AARP refuted that article yesterday

http://www.aarp.org/about-aarp/press-center/info-06-2011/aarp-has-not-changed-its-position-on-social-security.html

akm, Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

that kind of beats around the bush tbh

bite this display name (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Obama: smarter than his lawyers.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:40 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this article is nuts

☂ (max), Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, not the article, but the events described within

☂ (max), Saturday, 18 June 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

100% not trying to be smart-ass or anything but that's just post-Bush "redefine the terms & proceed as you wish" strategizing, isn't it?

I can't really articulate this point without looking like I agree with Obama's decision, which I don't, but why is it inherently risible for Obama, who has a law degree, to disagree with his counsel on interpretation of the law?

chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

because it happens so rarely, and since it pertains to war it gives a kind of sense of hopelessness wrt constitutional balance of powers - that there's basically nothing that can be done to stop a president whose heart is set on engaging in combat

bite this display name (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

to be fair to obama, congress seems and has seemed generally uninterested in exercising its powers in this regard

☂ (max), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

I can't really articulate this point without looking like I agree with Obama's decision, which I don't, but why is it inherently risible for Obama, who has a law degree, to disagree with his counsel on interpretation of the law?

Unlike Lincoln, whom I cite as a wartime president and a good to very good practicing lawyer until inauguration, Obama's response to the Office of Legal Counsel's interpretation of the law isn't particularly novel and in fact sounds a lot like what Jay Bybee, John Woo, and David Addington concluded just seven years ago.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

read takeover obv

bite this display name (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

I love Charlie Savage.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

me too

bite this display name (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

btw I'm reading Harold Koh's National Security Constitution, published after the Iran-Contra hearings farrago. Reading his nuanced ideas to averting the next constitutional crisis between the executive and legislative branches and what he's doing now is a case study in how the ironies of history unfurl.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

A sticking point for some skeptics was whether any mission that included firing missiles from drone aircraft could be portrayed as not amounting to hostilities.

But, you see, it is the drones which are engaged in those hostile acts, and not US military personnel, who are merely innocent bystanders. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

Aimless, Saturday, 18 June 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

ICBMs don't have pilots either.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 June 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

I guess the main administration argument is more about the SIZE of the hostilities and less about the drone aircraft? Cuz if the drone thing is the core of the argument we're in Orwell territory.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 June 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

"Honestly, I don't see how a few dozen payloads of high explosives directed at military targets within another sovereign nation could be considered as hostilities. These are what any reasonable person would call friendly hints."

Aimless, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

I guess we're long past the point where this would be called Morbius Bait, so I'll just call it Everybody Bait:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-taking-more-active-role-twitter-account-heading-180511257.html

clemenza, Saturday, 18 June 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

Obama has more than 8.69 million followers on Twitter, making him the third most-followed account among Twitter users, according to Twitter statistics website twittercounter.com. Obama trails only entertainers Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber in followers.

bite this display name (k3vin k.), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

Have at it--it made me cringe too.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

According to an Obama campaign flak, the prez on Twitter will "connect to the millions of supporters who will be driving this campaign." They hope. (See what I did there?)

Aimless, Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

our position is now that cyber attacks on security computers is a hostile act of war justifying use of any and all military force, but us bombing the fuck out of another country by remote control is not sufficiently hands on to engage war powers requirements.

only pick one (meme) (Hunt3r), Saturday, 18 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

sooooo fucked up

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 18 June 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

So I'm going on local talk radio tomorrow to kinda debate economics with some right-wing economics professor. I don't really have a lot to say except "rising inequality," "raise taxes" and "single-payer-healthcare." And then the professor and however many callers they can squeeze into the hour will call me a communist. Good times.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 19 June 2011 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

big ups!!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 19 June 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link

I'd you say "increase revenue, end tax break giveaways" instead of "raise taxes" and "expand Medicare" instead of "single payer", you might fool a few of them.

Godspeed, man.

Z S, Sunday, 19 June 2011 11:55 (twelve years ago) link

If, not I'd, despite what my autocorrect thinks

Z S, Sunday, 19 June 2011 11:55 (twelve years ago) link

Here's how I'd phrase it instead: "take away guns" instead of "increase revenue, end tax break giveaways," "universal gay marriage" instead of "expand Medicare," and "Al Franken and Rachel Maddow are great Americans" instead of "rising inequality." Good luck!

clemenza, Sunday, 19 June 2011 12:09 (twelve years ago) link


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