Pitchfork's Chris Ott takes No Prisoners

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I am not one to refuse Mr. Q:

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― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

Dave Q gets what he wants in a few words! Chris Ott doesn't get what he wants after many! See, that's how to be confrontational *and* loved.

I LIKE Ministry & recently discovered how Depeche Mode are utter genius (and did plenty of brilliant songs well after 1990) & Lush & Belly have some great singles

Daria G just became Dan's and my closest friend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

No kidding! I was about to be all "DARIA WILL U FAEK MARI ME CUZ IM ALREDDY MARIED AND MY WIFE WOOD KILL ME LOL OMG"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Well as I recall he did that Fischerspooner review and made that astonishing observation wrt Royksopp and microhouse.

Tim, yeah, as soon as I typed that I did think, 'oh, Fischerspooner.'

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

that the term grebo had been COINED to cover bands including KLF.

...which is still wrong.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

grebo

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

(haha they list KLF as a grebo band sorry Alex)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

YIKES I'M NOT A GOTH I'M GREBO LOOK AT THESE BANDS!!!!!!!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

Clearly, Chris Ott hasn't cornered the market on "being wrong."

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:34 (twenty years ago) link

grebo is the stupidest genre name since camden lurch

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

"The home of a typical Grebo comunity"?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

"Well as I recall he...madee that astonishing observation wrt Royksopp and microhouse."

I can't help but smile...

― johnypants, Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not gonna read all this shit

― mcwop23, Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

i already did. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

well, i just did!
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UPDATE: DAMN YOU JORDAN!!!! NOBODY steals my lame replies!

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

no, i must be the one to kill the thread!

(or else i'll start thinking i'm losing my touch)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

This thread won't die so easily.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

I love the pitchfork and Chris Ott is so hot and i hate all you fuckers who diss them but shot all the people who like them!!

― Brooke Hardy, Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

You shot all the people who like Pitchfork? An odd way of showing your support and appreciation, that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

it's a joke alex

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm aware of that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I knew who Brooke Hardy was. Is this British humor.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

"Throw ya neck out/Throw ya back out."

For what it's worth, Ott probably turned a couple kids onto Ministry. For that I can forgive most any flaws.

― ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

interesting article. one point .. is erotica by darling buds really that common in used bins in USA .. tis indeed a rare sight in uk, and if seen should be grabbed straight away.
also .. klf = grebo. not musically by any stretch of the imagination, but didn't they work with Extreme Terror Noise @ Brits and jim cauty was definitely part of the Megadog/Crusty movement along with Youth which was like a goa trance dance side to the whole Grebo thing .. n'est pas ? and GBOA did an acid house album as well .. so there were connections ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

I don't really want to intrude, but I just wanted to say thank you... to actually believe that Pitchfork has more readers than spin is really funny, and I will cherish that for quite awhile.

― Daron Gardner (Daron Gardner), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

to actually believe that Pitchfork has more readers than spin is really funny, and I will cherish that for quite awhile.

To ‘clear that up,’ in August, PFM had more unique hits than Spin has monthly subscribers. (But this, of course, does not mean that PFM has more readers because that stat doesn’t take into account Spin’s newsstand sales, comp list recipients, and that multiple ppl read each circulated copy of a magazine.)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

Aside from that, unique hits are not the same as unique users. And unique users are the best comparison to print readership. If you come to a website on two different days, that counts as two unique hits (if you come back to the same website on the same day, ie during the same browser session, that's just one hit.) Comparing hits to print readers is like saying that every day I open the magazine counts as an extra reader.

The website I work for gets around 20 million unique hits a month. And it has around 6 million users a month. Big difference.

― auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe no one's mentioned Worthington's Law, the more money you make, the better you are. This translates into all areas where more of something (readership) = better!

― Andy Beckerman, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

Oops--600,000 users a month! Even bigger difference.

― auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, sorry, I did mean unique users/viewers, not hits. (thx, auditor!) This tricky Interweb terminology! (I should leave this marketing/business stuff to other pitchfork types who are more familiar with that end of things...)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

And I'm guessing these comparison figures don't take into account all the people who go to spinmagazine.com either, right?

― chuck, Friday, 26 September 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

most people just go to pitchfork cos they forgot the web address for suicidegirls anyway

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Friday, 26 September 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

And I'm guessing these comparison figures don't take into account all the people who go to spinmagazine.com either, right?

No, of course not. I'm not trying to manipulate these numbers to 'prove' PFM is bigger than Spin, just explaining in the face of this confusion and derision the root of that claim (and why, yes, it is flawed). (And I'm probably being defensive in the process, but I personally don't find anything healthy about these sorts of pissing contests. I'm more than happy to defend the site when I think it's being unfairly characterized, but floating misinformation as proof of PFM's size and 'superiority,' I don't find to be helpful to altering the site's image. That's not meant to be a slight toward Chris. We just approach things differently.)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

That's okay, we wouldn't mind if you slighted Chris actually. What procedures do the Pitchfork people use to disclipline their unruly scribes ?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

sorry i can't read the whole thread. but i must say that most of the albums mr ott critizises are bullshit. i am not a fan of his writing but i'd think that his taste is pretty much ok.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

That's not the point, Alex.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

for those of you who wonder why I don't write so much for Pitchfork anymore, the answer is: Chris Ott.

For the record, I want it to be known he singlehandedly makes me ashamed to write for the site. Sure, Ryan's opinions can make me shudder, but Ryan is a great, funny guy. Ott's incapable of holding a civil conversation. He loves to insult you, then come back for a big hug of "aww, I'm just kidding. I just like to rile." He loves that word "rile."

― brent_D, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

you don't wanna RILE me, mutherfucker! Don't you RILE me!
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― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a hurricane nestled inside a box of tsunamis TIMES TRIPLICATE!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

holy moly! (to brent)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

Chris Ott canceled my friendster request. I'm riiiileed!

His writing has such a boner to be British.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

i bet he likes orwell.

(and hitchens)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

his boner has such a boner to be british ( 4" > 3")

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

wow. evidently ILX loves to rile too!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

sassy!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

brent d rocks. he's one funny ass mutherfukker, as david cross would say. his sonic youth review made my year one year.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:37 (twenty years ago) link

Even though I ragged on him for Blur ( ;) ), I wish Brent still wrote for PFM as much as possible, personally. His White Stripes review is probably my favorite thing that has been published on the site all year.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

hes 28! i figured him for much older from the writing, i guess this means he is being schticky rather than bitter?

("who i want to meet: fewer people. interests: hating people, making enemies"), so i guess thats all quite sweet really, if a little try hard

hes a friend of maura too, is everyone in the world a friend of maura?

― ... (gareth), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 06:00 (twenty years ago) link

My name is KID OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

I gotta say, I think Ott's stuff withstands these criticisms for the most part. My sense has always been that he's insightful and I think the notion that he's contemptuous of his audience is a red herring. I think he's just deeply invested, and I don't mean in persona or cred or any of that, I mean in music. There's room for disagreement, but the premise of most of these criticisms seems to be that disagreement vitiates the exercise.

Hey, but that's just me. I realize the furor has died down but I'm surprised to see that it once was so ... furious.

― smarty mcsmartyson, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

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