letz talk abt gucci mane

"camera ready" is pretty dope from an overall perspective

maybe it was lowered expectations but i think this tape is better than any of his brick squad guest verses

well yeah

once again i'll be interested to see what he raps like right after getting out

young buck's verse is dope btw

i'm still missing stuff like "lamborghini creeping up the street like its tip toeing"

oh it's definitely better than his brick squad verses, but that shit was the dregs

anyway, xp, i still think you're being too generous. if it was a codification of stuff he was already doing, it'd still be super dope, maybe just a bit stale. but it's not--regressing to a workmanlike approach, which i think about gets it right, means that you occasionally get something that makes your ears perk up, but only occasionally. it used to be constantly constantly all the time

flow chilly
smoking on a dro philly
mo millis
competition, oh really?

^^still miss stuff like this

yah thats probably true, i guess it doesnt bother me as much as it *should* because of how musically consistent this is

yeah and the more i listen to these the more i agree that these are pretty solid, and i imagine they'll grow on me like they always do

reflectin on my life, 30 years of stress
buy million dollar statues as a token of success
so practice makes perfect
i'm outside turfin while you internet surfin
and buyin hoes purses

v dope!

just miss listening to one of these tapes for the first time and rewinding every few bars like O_O

yeah i mean i think his rapping still WORKS for this stuff, i guess -- that its not as multi-dimensional-insane-great as it was then, but his rapping is still ... lively? hes just always on the dumb-humor "twitpic of my dick" type shit instead of see the frozen crystals when i hit the cigarillo

yes

fuck, "trap goin crazy" is so damn good

ya that verse belongs in a norton anthology

of poetry i mean, not rap, if there's one of those now

in my red ferrari, sittin on spinners, tinted windows
blinkin like a blinker, on the seats are my initials

first verse is obv the stone cold classic but i was listening to some old gucci favorites a few days ago and realized how much i/ppl slept on the rest of that song, the second verse is great too

one of the things that pissed me off the most abt the coverage of his stuff was that caramanica argument about how stepping up his lyrics hadnt made him more popular. he had it totally backwards

once again i'll be interested to see what he raps like right after getting out

― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 7, 2011 10:41 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

if anyone can help us retire the whole 'mystique' of jailtime having some kind of perceptible effect on a rapper's musical output it's gucci

well i always thought that he sounded decidedly more sober on 'mr. zone 6'

also i thought a lot his raps & flows were inventive on that tape, as if one of the only things he had time to do was sit down & write raps

then again he had a lot of inventive raps and flows when he was smoking like a hundred blunts a day, so i don't subscribe to it much either

well i think you could also argue there's a cumulative effect -- there was a point where being a drug addict either didn't effect or even heightened the music he was making, but at some point the other shoe drops -- again it's more of a thesis than anything that can be proven, but then again i think 'mr zone 6' was the last front to back great thing he put out, & his music was really bad recently when he was doing lots of stupid shit & acting like a total fucked up drug addict

i wouldn't look at lil wayne's career post, say, 'da drought 3' and be like "oh well he used to be so good when he was taking drugs!" because clearly the guy is (or was, before jail) just a constant avalanche of downright awful drug addict music

i'm not sure that timeline really works out. drought 3 came when he was drinking lean like water and basically everything that came out of his mouth was kinda brilliant. then he made a concerted effort to kick the lean and we got his awful simile period and rap rock period.

i get the feeling that a sober lil wayne would say his lyrics on "drop the world" are better than anything on drought 3

"young buck's verse is dope btw"

Yes. I've been stanning way hard on Buck for the last 18 months or so, cant get enough, he's smashing everything hard atm.

Feeling MVP, Recently (50's cadence is nice) and Translation quite a bit. Good tape.

i think drug use is a little easier to connect to music -- lil wayne and eminem both at some point finally burned out the brain cells that made them great rappers. i just think the jail thing is kind of a non-starter, especially for someone like gucci who's been in and out several times over the years and also puts a minimum of real autobiographical detail into his music

did you guys ever figure out who did the "up my alley" beat? sorry I don't really follow this thread/gucci's career

I think it was Zaytoven

thanks.

btw I can't really stand lex luger

yeah the keys would suggest zay

Fwiw not sure if this is an explanation or an excuse but he mentions in a skit on this hes not writing down his raps any more

funny, neither are we

ZONG

"no pad no pencil" style

just put this on for the first time but can't get past "Tragedy" because I've rewound it three times

good shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1BVHP514ZQ

LOL whoops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsmcSutYPU&feature=player_embedded

guys what else has Fat Boy done cause i like his shit on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWD3jBv5w6U

"1st day out" is in my top 5 gucci songs. zaytoven is a genius

grady fat boy did tons of gucci stuff, mostly. he used to go by 'fat boi'

he did 'wasted'

his stuff on here actually sounds more like southside on the track or prince (the rap producer obv) than it does standard fat boy though -- like, 'camera ready' sounds, to me, more like this kind of shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-8eFGritK4

this is an old fatboi beat, from the gucci list jordan and i did a few yrs back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKzf9u3kqEY

purple bud look like an orchid can't afford it watch me torch it

^^ hands down best verse ever imo

yeah man "wonderful" for all time