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kenan, saying crazy things and actually coming across as a crazy person are two totally different things.

If you assume she was serious all along, then I don't think there's a significant difference.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Lesley Ann Warren is better because she's Miss Scarlet.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

No, there pretty well is a difference. Going from being well-spoken to a hysterical version of our president is pretty obvious, whether or not you believe her to be serious or joking. If you really don't get what people are saying here then I'm not sure how else to explain it to you.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Well alright then. Condescension accomplished.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

No, no, at any time kenan feel free to address how your personal opinion of the words that came out of her mouth has anything to do with her public speaking demeanor! I insist.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you at any point going to address "she was once well spoken, now she is stuttering, stressed, and unable to complete sentences without starting to shriek and shake"? Or did you just wanna get yr 10c in about how Ann Coulter is a cunt?

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I don't think the reaction to her Today appearance is because her viewpoint is becoming unpopular all of a sudden. It's always been unpopular. She's got that Howard Stern thing, half her "fanbase" has been her sworn enemies - now she's boring and crazy and grasping, like when Stern got his legions of imitators and started having to bring strippers and midgets on the show every single day.

Alice Cooper was at least smart enough to know that when the kids in the front row at his shows had bigger pet pythons and more makeup on than he did, it was time to give it a rest.


TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The words coming out of her mouth have always made her look insane to me whether she's exhibiting physical tics or not. That's all I'm sayin.

Jeez, calm down. I'm not picking a fight over Ann Coulter on the internet.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Also frankly I wouldn't be surprised in the least if coulter turned out to be addicted to diet speed

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ ally explaining whats crazy to KENAN

and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost haha @ Alice Cooper

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

kenan, no one here needs to be calmed down. I just happen to think replying to someone's post, and then when they tell you "that's not what I meant," basically replying "I don't care what you meant" is pretty douchey. Why bother making a point of replying to anyone's post if you don't actually care about the discussion at hand? Just post, "I think Ann Coulter is a crazy cunt" and go from there.

Tom, I think it's a given that she's on shit like that!

I am wondering if there are really that many crazies who will continue to stand by her after the 9/11 comments?

xpost lol @ ethan, dude sorry

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

define "that many!"

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

This is not a party that I am invited to.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

grasping

exactly. I think that's been the schtick, to always dump so much effort into being "outrageous," that it becomes to require more and more thrashing about, like a rabid doberman staked in a front yard just straining to get at those delicious toddlers frollicking next door.

"grasping" (and "gasping") are really OTM terms here.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Crazies who want to fuck her are sticking by her, based on comments sections to some of those pages posted upthread.

Dan (Yikes) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill Maher to thread.

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew Sullivan:

But the problem with Coulter is that she is a form of camp, is she not? The minute you take her seriously, you lose grip on her reality. She's not a social or political commentator. She's a drag queen impersonating a fascist. I don't even begin to believe she actually believes this stuff. It's post-modern performance-art. I think of Coulter in that sense as more at home on the pomo-left than the Christianist right (which is why the joke, ultimately, is on the Republicans who like her). Devoid of sincerity, detached from any value but performance, juggling rhetoric for its own sake, she is Stanley Fish's model student. Half the time, I tend to think that a Hannity or O'Reilly or Malkin actually believes their own rhetoric. With Coulter, I don't believe it for a second. And so her vileness cannot be taken seriously. She is worse than vile. She is just empty.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

that's kind of how I always viewed her, except she isn't funny, and if she is, nobody is getting the joke.

DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

My friend who took the time to read a lot of Leo Strauss proto-neoconservative work told me a while back how it's hinted that religion is a necessity for the majority of the population but the governing/ruling body doesn't necessarily have to believe. Panacea for the masses, etc. When I heard about this Coulter book, that was the first thing I thought of.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I am wondering if there are really that many crazies who will continue to stand by her after the 9/11 comments?

the comments on the few blogs i skimmed (i had to stop pretty quickly because i honestly thought i was going to have a stroke) were totally supportive. people were saying things like "people die every day - why should those women get more sympathy than anyone else?" and "it's sickening that they're using the death of loved ones to further the liberal agenda" and "if they really cared about america, they wouldn't be trying to weaken it."

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

(and that's a really polite spin on it.)

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

O'Reilly was predictably appalled, in a mild sort of way.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

My friend who took the time to read a lot of Leo Strauss proto-neoconservative work told me a while back how it's hinted that religion is a necessity for the majority of the population but the governing/ruling body doesn't necessarily have to believe.

The idea is older than that. It's probably as old as government itself.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."

-Seneca
4-65 AD

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider God fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the Gods on his side."

-Aristotle

sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

and speaking of religious fronting:

who wants to read the first chapter of her latest book? see if you spot more of her cut & paste scribblin's!

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 June 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoa, is she for real with that comment about American Christian destiny = jetskis, steak on the electric grill, and night skiing and that environmentalism is a repudiation of this? Even tongue in cheek?

She's pretty, yeah, if too old for me.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 8 June 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

You go, Rahm Emmanuel (D-Illinois)

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't read that chapter. It's making my head hurt. The random breast implants ref is the part where I was really like, ok, plz to learn one English and rhetoric class.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Rahm "Random House PR Rep" Emmanuel

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

an ad at Drudge: "Ann Coulter needs your help..."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

http://home.comcast.net/~bernievision/Coulter_Mouse_pad.jpg

"feel her up - then she will talk to you about welfare"

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, the last thing I read that was that incoherent and stupid was the first three pages of The Isis Papers.

Dan (Holy Shit) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(The Coulter thing, not Mike's post!)

Dan (Whoops) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I get in if is in apple house to tomato !

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=apple+house

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

It's probably not even worth the effort of arguing but yeah, what I've read of that chapter is just absurd, setting up a broad strawman and attacking with no reasoning. Who exactly is she talking about? Andrea Dworkin and Hollywood sex symbols are on the same side? Worshipping Hollywood body image ideals is part of liberalism (even though liberal faith crazily proclaims that breast implants might be bad for you)? Shinto is one of the most popular religions amongst liberals?! There are no Christian environmentalists? And do conservatives really believe that we should (paraphrasing) "populate the earth until it's standing room only and then colonize Mars"? The metric system has been attempted many times but never really caught on? Is the Swedish standard of livingIt's impossible for birds to become extinct? . . . At least P. J. O'Rourke is sometimes funny and makes some kind of logical sense. (And how would AC deal with his love of promiscuity and soft drugs?)

I suspect I know the answer to this but in a country ruled by Republicans, that's the world's bastion of capitalism, with such a strong Christian influence, why are conservative writers so obsessed with what 'liberals' think?

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Roemer

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't find her physically attractive at all. that whole willowy blonde bimbo thing = nastyville.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I suspect I know the answer to this but in a country ruled by Republicans, that's the world's bastion of capitalism, with such a strong Christian influence, why are conservative writers so obsessed with what 'liberals' think?

because all of the ideology seems to have fallen out of American conservatism, leaving only a constant posture of fear of and aggression towards the "enemy"? viz. the apparently genuine fear that America might become an Islamic theocracy.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/anncoulter_1.jpg

I bet cheerios will love this picture.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow what happened to her.

Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

She was awful on Leno last night. The audience was definitely on her side, though, and if George Carlin (the previous guest) said anything in response to her bullshit, they cut it out. LENO was actually criticizing her in his wimpy way, but Carlin was mute almost entirely throughout.

She's not pretty or funny, btw.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The audience was definitely on her side, though

I read that a large group of her fans bought up the Leno tickets, so poor wickle Ann did not have to endure any jeering or boos.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I figured as much.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

You know the best thing to do would be to not take her seriously (andrew sullivan otm) but then everybody else takes her seriously, and you're never really sure when somebody's been taken seriously long enough that you HAVE to take them seriously.

I don't think I ever saw an episode of Leno in its entirety before, but euuugh. Dude made a PAULA JONES joke in his monologue.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

His comedy is for conservative retirees.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

If it was her hardcore fans who paid to come and make her look good, they could have at least laughed once or twice. She kept giving inane joke answers which were all the more painful when hit by audience silence.

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

she got a few ovations though, which were creepy enough.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

for which bits?

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link


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