US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

^^^ yup

what's he doing with those two fingers

really the people who should be learning from the dean campaign are ron paul supporters - it really doesn't matter how many people on your msg board are sending money/gold.

a friend of mine wrote an article at the time basically saying exactly that with a "Democrats who don't actively court minorities always get screwed"; the article itself is gone now but the Internet reaction from angry Dean supporters is priceless

btw I wasn't claiming Dean to be the second coming of FDR or anything, just a relatively unsafe prospect the Dem topdogs didn't want to win the nomination. They got lucky w/ Obama turning out to be identical to (or 'better than') Hillary Rodham.

btw I wasn't claiming Dean to be the second coming of FDR or anything, just a relatively unsafe prospect the Dem topdogs didn't want to win the nomination

this is still true. Dean "just losing" is also true. these are not mutually exclusive.

the dem power structure was concerned about dean's electability. in retrospect that was a very valid concern but a problem that solved itself.

DiFi introduces bill to repal DOMA

I hate her but I guess she's good for something

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg737/scaled.php?tn=0&server=737&filename=pti.png&xsize=640&ysize=640

Not that dumb of a scream, tbh. I was expecting it to be much more high-pitched and girlish.

had you never heard it before??

it's really not that weird/bad/unusual

Feinstein be tryin' to distract us from the chaos in DC.

I think i had but thought it wasn't a big deal and forgot all about it.

lol @ "speeches"

xp: the scream wasn't a big deal at all aside from sounding less like a call to arms and more like a pig call

Democrats are donkeys, Dan.

what year is this?

Please don't make them/us talk about this year

the dem power structure was concerned about dean's electability. in retrospect that was a very valid concern

Yeah, thanks God they weren't worried about John Kerry's pizzazz and vigor.

the dem power structure was concerned about dean's electability. in retrospect that was a very valid concern but a problem that solved itself.

― iatee, Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:16 PM Bookmark

IDK, that primary made me feel like "electable candidates" are the "most-photographed barns" of politics.

Yeah, thanks God they weren't worried about John Kerry's pizzazz and vigor.

maybe people in iowa should have been worried about john kerry's pizzazz and vigor! because they (maybe unfortunately!) have a lot more say in this than our mysterious democratic puppet masters. we have a pretty weak party structure, there's not a lot of room for mysterious strings to be pulled in a process like this. which is why the best shakey can come up with is 'gephardt attack ads' ooooh no not gephardt attack ads.

Alright, I was just reading news that occurred today and it is bad as well. The Gang of 6 plan is out with token tax cuts and lots of spending cuts including entitlement ones just like the Alan Simpson catfood panel proposal. The House is gonna vote on their cut, cap and destroy bill and Boener said with a straight face:

The President said he wanted a balanced plan," Boehner said. "That's what this is -- a balanced plan. He gets his increase in the debt ceiling. We get real cuts in spending and real reform that will make sure this doesn't happen again."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/18/995602/-Middle-Man-and-the-Debt-CeilingDebacle?via=blog_736099

Tom Tommorrow cartoon

the more i think of it, the more i think that this whole debt-ceiling kabuki theater whatever is just a giant GOP game of "rope-a-dope." and Obama is the dope. he pisses off enough of the Democratic base to the point where they stay home on Election Day and we get President Romney (and noise and fuss aside, i'm sure the GOP nominee will be Romney not crazy-ass Bachmann or Palin or anyone like that).

i dunno eisbaer, sure it's fake in one sense, but it's equally important that a huge huge chunk of the GOP (elected and voters) really has gone off the deep end.

as in, i don't think this is some coordinated thing to "rope a dope" obama, sections of the GOP really do, largely, think all the nutty shit you're hearing them say about debt and the economy.

you're probably right about romney tho

The President said he wanted a balanced plan," Boehner said. "That's what this is -- a balanced plan. He gets his increase in the debt ceiling. We get real cuts in spending and real reform that will make sure this doesn't happen again."

Change you can believe in!

lololol "never again"

He gets his increase in the debt ceiling.

Like OK, we get it, you're an asshole.

"There's plenty of blame to go around. The President, for instance, is completely wrong while I am completely right."

"as you all know, republicans have never spent any money, nor levied any tax."

Who the fuck knows what the White House intended, but I'm suspicious about the timing of Obama's decision to support the repeal of DOMA. "I'm about to gut SS and Medicare, so lemme make sure I appease part of my base."

the coveted postmodern demographic will be pleased

Obama is endorsing that bait and switch gang of 6 plan that gets rid of some deductions for the rich while lowering their rates, at the same time it cuts social security and medicare.

he pisses off enough of the Democratic base to the point where they stay home on Election Day and we get President Romney

On the bright side, not much of a CHANGE.

^This.

Different base, tho

Plus, it would likely mean no more Rowe v Wade

And not even watered-down health care as Romney has renounced his past...and not even watered down, wink wink financial regulation as Romney doesn't like Frank-Dodd. And he might sign off on getting rid of the EPA if the Republicans get the Senate.

But yep not much change on cutting Social Security and Medicare or going after whistleblowers.

x-post --Roe

Or military spending

And he might sign off on getting rid of the EPA if the Republicans get the Senate.

sadly, other than huntsman, Romney is probably the most "pro-environment" republican candidate.

"sadly" because yeah, he's already been walking back his statements on climate change from a few years ago. but at least he made them in the first place.

but at least he made them in the first place.

do you say this about Obama too

haha, no, but obama's not running in a primary against a bunch of people that are actively trying to destroy the climate for the next 1000 years

IMHO, if we can't trust a "Democratic" President to stand up for Social Security and Medicare then we can't trust him to stand up for Roe v. Wade, the EPA, financial reform (such as it is), or any other liberal honeypot.

(actually, MAYBE Obama will stand up for Roe v. Wade ... God forbid some Goldman Sachs' daughter gets knocked up by some Williamsburg hipster douchebag and can't safely abort the kid.)

as for my earlier post about Obama being rolled in a "rope-a-dope" ... of course lotsa GOPers are batshit crazy or dumb enough to believe their own BS about the debt ceiling (see Cantor). however, the ones who really matter (McConnell and Bohner, plus Romney et. al.) know what even the whiff of a default can do.

i understand you, it just looks to me like those guys are really alone these days. they aren't the only ones who 'really matter'

(actually, MAYBE Obama will stand up for Roe v. Wade ... God forbid some Goldman Sachs' daughter gets knocked up by some Williamsburg hipster douchebag and can't safely abort the kid.)

i think someone in those circumstances could get a safe termination. sorta still clinging to 'america is a civilised country & could not repeal abortion rights', really, even alongside every other inside baseball tactical argument.