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'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

healthy and house prices

fixed

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their kids getting on the property ladder?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Having to live near poor people?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, who cares about "working class fears"?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Difference between white working class fears of immigration and middle England fears of immigration? Straightforward difference of economics vs culture?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also theres a sense that rightwing british pundits dont really believe that much in what they right, so it all comes off a bit geezer down the pub, who says one thing one minute and another the next

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a decent education system in this country might mean people writing right instead of righting write

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If nothing else, the French election campaign makes me feel nostalgic for the days when one party stood for something and another party stood for something else, clearcut with no ambiguity and no chasing after the same limited and overrated floating electorate.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

perhaps with a decent university system that keeps the poor out, some of them may even write correctly

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

-- 600, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 PM (4 minutes ago)"

lol 8080

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There are a lot of rent-a-rightie types on the op ed pages of the Times who you know cynically knock out 500 words of half-hearted spleen on the turn of a dime and really don't give a toss one way or the other - stand up Stephen Pollard, Ross Clark, Mick Hume and Rosemary Righter, which latter name could have come straight out of Kingsley Amis.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh i think mick hume cares a lot. he's sinister fucker with a scary team.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Since when was Mick Hume on Sinister?

Still, never trust an ex-Marxist.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think saying they don't actually believe what they're saying is a bit dangerous. cf that thread about melanie phillips and the missing WMDs.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've said this before elsewhere on ILE, but Peter Cook used to write a fervently right-wing column for the Daily Mail in '76-8. He said he didn't agree with a word of it but he thought that was the kind of writing the editor of the Daily Mail wanted, and it paid good money. Most notoriously, he gave a scathing denouncement of punk rock which he'd written with Malcolm McLaren the night before.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what thread was that?

i know what you mean acrobat. but melanie p means every word of what she says. she is less of a menace than the others, partly because that imo. which sounds odd but basically i don't think many guardian writers are really very committed to any kind of politics, they, like their right-wing counterparts, churn out perversely 'reassuring' copy each day, confirming their readers' half-thought out prejudices. polly toynbee and jackie ashley exist solely as government mouthpieces, for example.

crosspost

the cook columns are really funny though!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He also mocked the idea that Martin Luther King was a good person because he used to sleep around, some of the columns are in that "I Was Born An Only Twin" collection.

xp

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Robert Wyllie, Pete Buckley

momentarily read this as Pete Wylie and didn't really question it

thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Friday, 23 February 2018 10:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

And who are they anyway?

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

top google result for robert wyllie is chief of medical operations at a clinic in cleveland, ohio and the top result for pete buckley is an expert in 'financing, leasing, sales and complex structured transactions involving aircraft (fixed wing and rotary), vessels and other transportation assets'

so either the net for grumpy old men was cast much wider than i'd have expected or we may never know who the trv wyllie and buckley were

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Robert_Crichton_Wyllie.jpg

Robert Crichton Wyllie (October 13, 1798 – October 19, 1865) was a Scottish physician and businessman. He also served two decades as Minister of Foreign Affairs in the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Maconie Youth (NickB), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

counts as an old man for sure, looks pretty chipper tho

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 February 2018 11:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

this was around the time that Ian McCulloch used to appear as a panelist on The Wright Stuff, so Pete Wylie doesn't seem that implausible

soref, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't think even the producers of Grumpy Old Men knew wtf Robert Wyllie was

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

When you type "Pete Buckley grumpy..." into GS, "cat" is the first word that comes. So wtf he is, he didn't quite make his bones with that show.

calzino, Friday, 23 February 2018 11:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

classy

(1) With the Spectator publishing an article about how great the Wehrmacht were on D-Day, what else have they been up to ? pic.twitter.com/6zuxRniqIJ

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) May 17, 2018

Neil S, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:38 (six months ago) Permalink

how is taki still alive

martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:40 (six months ago) Permalink

blood of virgins, 6 bottles of vintage champagne a day

Neil S, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:41 (six months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

imago, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:42 (six months ago) Permalink

aye, Werhmacht were a cracking bunch of lads - just don't mention all the civilian massacres and those lovely Stalags they built so captured Red Army could get a sun tan or freeze to death whilst they cannibalised each other!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:46 (six months ago) Permalink

Taki made A A Gill look like a lefty at The Sunday Times in the 90's.

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 18:47 (six months ago) Permalink

For my sins I can remember his columns were a mixture of obnoxious macho bravado and name dropping upper class elite ppl, a class act for sure!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:04 (six months ago) Permalink

The Wehrmacht had the advantage of plenty of time to construct all the defenses they could think of against an amphibious assault, which is considered the most difficult of all military operations to execute. And they failed.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:10 (six months ago) Permalink

some of the brickies working on the Atlantic Wall were getting paid more than doctors and brain surgeons in the Reich, that was probably the only bit of Socialism in NS!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:24 (six months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

― imago, Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:42 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the cover of Taki's 1991 prison memoir (three months in HM Prison Pentonville for cocaine possession) is like some horrifying prophecy of Milo Yiannopoulos two decades ahead of time

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51TI63K6OuL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

soref, Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:25 (six months ago) Permalink

Even by Spectator standards, Taki is massively racist.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:05 (six months ago) Permalink

I can half remember some quote where he is referring to Puerto Ricans as "dusky, squat and ugly" and this was before the brexit-era Times got their special circumstances racist card, this was in the 90's!

calzino, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:50 (six months ago) Permalink

xxp lol uncanny!

Neil S, Friday, 18 May 2018 07:41 (six months ago) Permalink

taki was ahead of the alt-right curve by a good decade tbfttl

He's an old-school capital-F Fascist but his magazine was hugely important in laying a lot of the foundations for the McInnes / Spencer alt-right stuff.

Obviously, being rich and eccentric means he gets a pass as a 'character' in the British press.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 18 May 2018 07:59 (six months ago) Permalink


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