I HATE APPLE

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I like that tabs open next to the current tab. I used to spend time moving tabs around & I don't need to as much now.

Euler, Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

still, fuck this inverted scrolling...which I should probably just turn off.

Euler, Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

what's the rationale behind it again?

dayo, Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

I guess it's supposed to be like iOS, but because you're not moving the (image of the) doc itself, but just a trackpad, it doesn't feel like it's supposed to.

Euler, Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

The thinking I heard was that they're expanding gestures into more and more things -- you can swipe across whole screens now, and horizontally swipe widgets, and drag contents around etc -- and while reversed made a bit of sense for vertically scrolling documents where you were actually moving the viewport, it breaks down pretty quickly when you try to expand it.

It is a bit weird to flick right and see the whole screen move the opposite direction, I guess.

stet, Sunday, 24 July 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

hmm I think somebody would have to draw me a diaphragm

in other I HATE APPLE news I managed to get the battery of my MBP replaced out of warranty because it was bulging and inhibiting the use of the trackpad click. except that the 'genius' I talked to was really combative and tried to impress upon me that these batteries were designed to bulge after awhile, and we went back and forth about it for 10 min. only after I conceded that I wouldn't pay the charge did he access my account, saw that I had made a gazillion purchases and had never before requested a repair, and deign to replace my battery for free.

can't complain too much but others on mac boards w/ the same problem were talking about how it was a 5 minute, genius sees it and swaps kind of deal.

dayo, Sunday, 24 July 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

I think that there was a fucked up batch of MBP batteries! My friend has said that her boyfriend's did the same thing and she blamed the fact she had it plugged in too long, but I told her there's no way that those things should ever do that.

mh, Sunday, 24 July 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah if you do a 'bulging battery site:yourfavoritemacforum.com' you'll find a LOT of responses about it. people were getting their 4, 5 year old macbook batteries replaced for free no questions asked which is why I was mad at this tattooed world of warcraft nerd for giving me so much grief, and making it sound like he was doing me a service at the end.

flop's son (dayo), Sunday, 24 July 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

Unfortunately, the Apple Store Genius Bar training can't erase all asshole personality symptoms. It's kind of silly, but when I had to go in for service a couple times, I made sure to do so on shifts where I guessed people would be more helpful

My friend with the battery problem lives in Las Vegas. Pretty sure the genius bar there is always "RIGHT AWAY SIR LET ME GET THAT FOR YOU." I know her sister had an almost brand-new macbook stop working while visiting and they swapped it in a couple hours, even though I think there might have been some liquid involved!

mh, Sunday, 24 July 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

might have been some liquid involved

fields of salmon, Sunday, 24 July 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

dog knocked over a glass of water near the laptop, not sure if any got in

mh, Sunday, 24 July 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

i had the macbook battery problem too and they did replace it for free...once the manager had been sought, admittedly

Once Were Moderators (DG), Sunday, 24 July 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

it's pretty cool that new safari has built-in instapaper

Mordy, Sunday, 24 July 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

It's not as good though, is it? The entire reason I use it is because I can sync to iPhone and iPad.

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

i haven't tried it yet so idk

Mordy, Monday, 25 July 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

lol it doesn't sync to your phone??

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 July 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

once icloud fully replaces mobileme your safari will be sync'd on all your devices including instasafari. Which doesn't help me because I use computers that are not mine, that I don't want to sync to mine, that aren't macs etc etc.

dan selzer, Monday, 25 July 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link

Doesn't help me either, since at least occasionally I use computers to look at things that I wouldn't want to pop up, say, when I launch Safari at work. Apple's whole "every time you launch the application you get to see the last thing you looked at" focus is maddening. Why would I want to launch Mail and see the last email I received? Wouldn't I rather see a list of emails? What if the last email I received was personal?

fields of salmon, Monday, 25 July 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link

So you would have left that email sitting open in the middle of the screen before shutting down your computer instead of closing it? That makes about as much sense to me.

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

"quit" used to mean "I'm done with all this shit, next time I'll start again. Now it means "pause".

Makes sense for some apps; the restart-exactly-the-same is handy, but for apps like Preview or scratchpads like TextEdit it's a pain in the ass

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

charging people for an external disc drive is ok for the air but a bit of a piss-take for the mac mini

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

when was the last time you actually stuck a disc in anything?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

the last time i ripped one of my many cds rather than pay apple £7.99 for something i've already bought

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

I had a slight conundrum the other day when I realized that it might be easier and faster to download a torrent of an album I had just bought on CD than it would be to extract the contents using an optical drive.

When it comes to finding a CD I have packed away in a box upstairs versus grabbing it quickly online in a "pirated" manner, I do the latter pretty often!

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

kinda o_0 at the idea no-one uses discs anymore

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's not far off. Same with floppies and the iMac. Attracted loads of comment at the time, floppiesnwere still common, but pretty soon irrelevant.

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

there's a clear difference between having to pull a couple of files off a floppy disc and having shelves of films on dvd

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, there is. My mac is my DVD player too. But I read somewhere that Apple says it's rare for people to use them as media centres, so they're not fussed. They killed Front Row, too. The MBAs don't have ir receivers for remotes, either.

Plus they want you to buy new stuff on the store, obv.

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

The last is what seems to me the clear motivation. It's their wedge against piracy & for their emerging profits as a media vendor.

Euler, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

tbh I won't lament losing built-in optical disks; external units are cheap & I rarely, if ever, use mine on the road.

Euler, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

They killed Front Row, too.

mercy killing tbf

i lament having to pay a good whack for something that was and still ought to be standard. well i say 'have', i don't have to pay and i won't, just seems a dumb way to piss off the end user (and in my case, lose a sale, and i'm sure i'm not alone)

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

i can't remember the last time i put a disk in a mac for something other than os installation

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

shelves of films on dvd is kind of like shelves of music on cd in the long term, right?

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

the remaining ~10 of my dvds are in boxes somewhere. it's quicker to download than find the disk.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

sod the long term, i'm not buying everything again or wasting my time ripping films. it's not like dvd drives have suddenly become prohibitively expensive to stick in computers, nor has the mini been redesigned to be a nanometre thick or something

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

get a dvd player or an external drive?

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

well no i'm just not going to buy one, simple as that

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

no, they haven't suddenly gotten expensive (although they're not getting cheaper like all the other components in a mini), but people no use/care about them, and a 1cm thick dvd drive must be like 10% of the hardware cost in a mac mini. with that in mind they can probably live with the loss of sales from people who decide what computer to buy based on its ability to play dvds.

i mean no joke, i saw dvds for sale for 10 for £10 in the window of my local butcher in sheffield today.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

don't really feel its unreasonable to be vexed that they want me to make up the difference (well, a considerable mark up if we're honest) for hobbling the machine

i mean they sell it as a media centre ffs, must be fun being the apple store goon that has to explain that no, it can't play dvds unless you shell out an extra £66

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

I still use my MacMini's drive in that I still get CDs, either via labels or through scrounges at Amoeba, Amazon etc. So whenever I do upgrade I'll probably just get an external...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Get an external blu-ray drive. Then you can rip those, too!

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

i don't get it dg, were you in the market for a new mac mini?

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

well, yeah, briefly

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

you have one now though right? if so, and you want it as a media centre, then you're all set. no need to upgrade appliances.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

haha no i don't have one, i had a 2006 one i donated to my parents. it's more the principle of the thing that's annoying me

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

ah ok. i'm surprised it's taken this long tbh given their history with floppy drives.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

To be fair the floppy drive was mostly used as an interchange medium between computers for personal files at that point. There were very, very few things seriously distributed on floppy commercially. Now we still have a fair amount of DVD/blu-ray traffic, with CD dying pretty quickly.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

well I guess I can be happy that my mac mini with a broken dvd drive is now state of the art.

akm, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

is this the part where we mention the PS3 as a media centre?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 08:37 (twelve years ago) link

lol

PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link


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