I HATE APPLE

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lol it doesn't sync to your phone??

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 July 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

once icloud fully replaces mobileme your safari will be sync'd on all your devices including instasafari. Which doesn't help me because I use computers that are not mine, that I don't want to sync to mine, that aren't macs etc etc.

dan selzer, Monday, 25 July 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link

Doesn't help me either, since at least occasionally I use computers to look at things that I wouldn't want to pop up, say, when I launch Safari at work. Apple's whole "every time you launch the application you get to see the last thing you looked at" focus is maddening. Why would I want to launch Mail and see the last email I received? Wouldn't I rather see a list of emails? What if the last email I received was personal?

fields of salmon, Monday, 25 July 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link

So you would have left that email sitting open in the middle of the screen before shutting down your computer instead of closing it? That makes about as much sense to me.

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

"quit" used to mean "I'm done with all this shit, next time I'll start again. Now it means "pause".

Makes sense for some apps; the restart-exactly-the-same is handy, but for apps like Preview or scratchpads like TextEdit it's a pain in the ass

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

charging people for an external disc drive is ok for the air but a bit of a piss-take for the mac mini

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

when was the last time you actually stuck a disc in anything?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

the last time i ripped one of my many cds rather than pay apple £7.99 for something i've already bought

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

I had a slight conundrum the other day when I realized that it might be easier and faster to download a torrent of an album I had just bought on CD than it would be to extract the contents using an optical drive.

When it comes to finding a CD I have packed away in a box upstairs versus grabbing it quickly online in a "pirated" manner, I do the latter pretty often!

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

kinda o_0 at the idea no-one uses discs anymore

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's not far off. Same with floppies and the iMac. Attracted loads of comment at the time, floppiesnwere still common, but pretty soon irrelevant.

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

there's a clear difference between having to pull a couple of files off a floppy disc and having shelves of films on dvd

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, there is. My mac is my DVD player too. But I read somewhere that Apple says it's rare for people to use them as media centres, so they're not fussed. They killed Front Row, too. The MBAs don't have ir receivers for remotes, either.

Plus they want you to buy new stuff on the store, obv.

stet, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

The last is what seems to me the clear motivation. It's their wedge against piracy & for their emerging profits as a media vendor.

Euler, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

tbh I won't lament losing built-in optical disks; external units are cheap & I rarely, if ever, use mine on the road.

Euler, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

They killed Front Row, too.

mercy killing tbf

i lament having to pay a good whack for something that was and still ought to be standard. well i say 'have', i don't have to pay and i won't, just seems a dumb way to piss off the end user (and in my case, lose a sale, and i'm sure i'm not alone)

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

i can't remember the last time i put a disk in a mac for something other than os installation

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

shelves of films on dvd is kind of like shelves of music on cd in the long term, right?

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

the remaining ~10 of my dvds are in boxes somewhere. it's quicker to download than find the disk.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

sod the long term, i'm not buying everything again or wasting my time ripping films. it's not like dvd drives have suddenly become prohibitively expensive to stick in computers, nor has the mini been redesigned to be a nanometre thick or something

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

get a dvd player or an external drive?

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

well no i'm just not going to buy one, simple as that

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

no, they haven't suddenly gotten expensive (although they're not getting cheaper like all the other components in a mini), but people no use/care about them, and a 1cm thick dvd drive must be like 10% of the hardware cost in a mac mini. with that in mind they can probably live with the loss of sales from people who decide what computer to buy based on its ability to play dvds.

i mean no joke, i saw dvds for sale for 10 for £10 in the window of my local butcher in sheffield today.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

don't really feel its unreasonable to be vexed that they want me to make up the difference (well, a considerable mark up if we're honest) for hobbling the machine

i mean they sell it as a media centre ffs, must be fun being the apple store goon that has to explain that no, it can't play dvds unless you shell out an extra £66

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

I still use my MacMini's drive in that I still get CDs, either via labels or through scrounges at Amoeba, Amazon etc. So whenever I do upgrade I'll probably just get an external...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Get an external blu-ray drive. Then you can rip those, too!

mh, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

i don't get it dg, were you in the market for a new mac mini?

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

well, yeah, briefly

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

you have one now though right? if so, and you want it as a media centre, then you're all set. no need to upgrade appliances.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

haha no i don't have one, i had a 2006 one i donated to my parents. it's more the principle of the thing that's annoying me

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

ah ok. i'm surprised it's taken this long tbh given their history with floppy drives.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

To be fair the floppy drive was mostly used as an interchange medium between computers for personal files at that point. There were very, very few things seriously distributed on floppy commercially. Now we still have a fair amount of DVD/blu-ray traffic, with CD dying pretty quickly.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

well I guess I can be happy that my mac mini with a broken dvd drive is now state of the art.

akm, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

is this the part where we mention the PS3 as a media centre?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 08:37 (twelve years ago) link

lol

PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

apple tv is - again - a fail

the wii is much better as a television based internet/movies/ thing - excpet those Nintendicks didnt make it able to play DVD's on purpose

Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

I like my apple tv! I just think of it as an Airport Express that works for video, too.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

Apple explicitly has no web browser, which is the best part

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I finally got Apple TV myself and it's a treat; since my move meant simplifying and upgrading my general A/V setup it was the key I needed.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

*visits celebrityonthenews.net for more celebrity news and pictures*

max, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

when are they goona make the 240gb iPod? never? that sucks, man

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

So, I've always been confused about just what Apple TV does. Is it just in interface to allow you to stream content (music, movies, TV) through iTunes? Like Airport Express but with movie/TV capabilities, too, connected via HDMI? How well does it handle non-proprietary formats? The only times I typically use my DVD drive these days are to burn copies of TV shows I've downloaded to DVD so that I can watch them on TV. Will Apple TV solve that problem, or will Apple, Inc. get in the way of what I want to do with its product?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

accidentally deleted my verisign public primary certificates from my system root (using keychain access). in hindsight i now have a much better understanding of how these things work.

stupid, i know. can't restore from time machine right now because i am out of state for a week. can't manually add certificates to system root. have managed to repopulate most of them by "always trusting" when i log out and back in to various services but i can't figure out how to get the "class 3" certificates back.

i am assuming this is why my mobileme pref pane and app store can no longer connect to apple's servers.

i am trying the 10.6.7 and 10.6.8 updates again in the hopes that will restore the missing system root certificates, but if that doesn't work ... any suggestions?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

I'm at work and not near a mac at the minute, but could someone export those certs so you could reimport them?

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

can't import into "system roots" and i think that's where app store looks for them. i've already put them back into both "login" and "system" folders, to no effect.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

the ironic thing is i was fucking with the certificates in the first place because app store wasn't working properly, now it looks like i've permanently locked myself out of it AND fucked up mobileme completely.

maybe i'll just go get a new MBP today, this 2007 model is getting pretty rickety.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

can you get an education discount at a retail store?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah just show some credentials xp

flop's son (dayo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link


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