I HATE APPLE

when was the last time you actually stuck a disc in anything?

the last time i ripped one of my many cds rather than pay apple £7.99 for something i've already bought

I had a slight conundrum the other day when I realized that it might be easier and faster to download a torrent of an album I had just bought on CD than it would be to extract the contents using an optical drive.

When it comes to finding a CD I have packed away in a box upstairs versus grabbing it quickly online in a "pirated" manner, I do the latter pretty often!

kinda o_0 at the idea no-one uses discs anymore

i think it's not far off. Same with floppies and the iMac. Attracted loads of comment at the time, floppiesnwere still common, but pretty soon irrelevant.

there's a clear difference between having to pull a couple of files off a floppy disc and having shelves of films on dvd

yeah, there is. My mac is my DVD player too. But I read somewhere that Apple says it's rare for people to use them as media centres, so they're not fussed. They killed Front Row, too. The MBAs don't have ir receivers for remotes, either.

Plus they want you to buy new stuff on the store, obv.

The last is what seems to me the clear motivation. It's their wedge against piracy & for their emerging profits as a media vendor.

tbh I won't lament losing built-in optical disks; external units are cheap & I rarely, if ever, use mine on the road.

They killed Front Row, too.

mercy killing tbf

i lament having to pay a good whack for something that was and still ought to be standard. well i say 'have', i don't have to pay and i won't, just seems a dumb way to piss off the end user (and in my case, lose a sale, and i'm sure i'm not alone)

i can't remember the last time i put a disk in a mac for something other than os installation

shelves of films on dvd is kind of like shelves of music on cd in the long term, right?

the remaining ~10 of my dvds are in boxes somewhere. it's quicker to download than find the disk.

sod the long term, i'm not buying everything again or wasting my time ripping films. it's not like dvd drives have suddenly become prohibitively expensive to stick in computers, nor has the mini been redesigned to be a nanometre thick or something

get a dvd player or an external drive?

well no i'm just not going to buy one, simple as that

no, they haven't suddenly gotten expensive (although they're not getting cheaper like all the other components in a mini), but people no use/care about them, and a 1cm thick dvd drive must be like 10% of the hardware cost in a mac mini. with that in mind they can probably live with the loss of sales from people who decide what computer to buy based on its ability to play dvds.

i mean no joke, i saw dvds for sale for 10 for £10 in the window of my local butcher in sheffield today.

don't really feel its unreasonable to be vexed that they want me to make up the difference (well, a considerable mark up if we're honest) for hobbling the machine

i mean they sell it as a media centre ffs, must be fun being the apple store goon that has to explain that no, it can't play dvds unless you shell out an extra £66

I still use my MacMini's drive in that I still get CDs, either via labels or through scrounges at Amoeba, Amazon etc. So whenever I do upgrade I'll probably just get an external...

Get an external blu-ray drive. Then you can rip those, too!

i don't get it dg, were you in the market for a new mac mini?

well, yeah, briefly

you have one now though right? if so, and you want it as a media centre, then you're all set. no need to upgrade appliances.

haha no i don't have one, i had a 2006 one i donated to my parents. it's more the principle of the thing that's annoying me

ah ok. i'm surprised it's taken this long tbh given their history with floppy drives.

To be fair the floppy drive was mostly used as an interchange medium between computers for personal files at that point. There were very, very few things seriously distributed on floppy commercially. Now we still have a fair amount of DVD/blu-ray traffic, with CD dying pretty quickly.

well I guess I can be happy that my mac mini with a broken dvd drive is now state of the art.

is this the part where we mention the PS3 as a media centre?

lol

apple tv is - again - a fail

the wii is much better as a television based internet/movies/ thing - excpet those Nintendicks didnt make it able to play DVD's on purpose

I like my apple tv! I just think of it as an Airport Express that works for video, too.

http://whatisthetrend.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Microsoft-webtv.gif

Apple explicitly has no web browser, which is the best part

Yeah I finally got Apple TV myself and it's a treat; since my move meant simplifying and upgrading my general A/V setup it was the key I needed.

*visits celebrityonthenews.net for more celebrity news and pictures*

when are they goona make the 240gb iPod? never? that sucks, man

So, I've always been confused about just what Apple TV does. Is it just in interface to allow you to stream content (music, movies, TV) through iTunes? Like Airport Express but with movie/TV capabilities, too, connected via HDMI? How well does it handle non-proprietary formats? The only times I typically use my DVD drive these days are to burn copies of TV shows I've downloaded to DVD so that I can watch them on TV. Will Apple TV solve that problem, or will Apple, Inc. get in the way of what I want to do with its product?

accidentally deleted my verisign public primary certificates from my system root (using keychain access). in hindsight i now have a much better understanding of how these things work.

stupid, i know. can't restore from time machine right now because i am out of state for a week. can't manually add certificates to system root. have managed to repopulate most of them by "always trusting" when i log out and back in to various services but i can't figure out how to get the "class 3" certificates back.

i am assuming this is why my mobileme pref pane and app store can no longer connect to apple's servers.

i am trying the 10.6.7 and 10.6.8 updates again in the hopes that will restore the missing system root certificates, but if that doesn't work ... any suggestions?

I'm at work and not near a mac at the minute, but could someone export those certs so you could reimport them?

can't import into "system roots" and i think that's where app store looks for them. i've already put them back into both "login" and "system" folders, to no effect.

the ironic thing is i was fucking with the certificates in the first place because app store wasn't working properly, now it looks like i've permanently locked myself out of it AND fucked up mobileme completely.

maybe i'll just go get a new MBP today, this 2007 model is getting pretty rickety.

can you get an education discount at a retail store?

ps LOL CHINA

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/25/chinese-authorities-close-two-fake-apple-stores-over-permit-issues/

yeah just show some credentials xp

ok, there we go. if you happen to ever fuck up the system root keychain parts you need to reinstall the latest big software update package (10.6.8 in this case). the clue i should have picked up on earlier was that the group of certificates i was messing with had an expiration date 25 years forward from the date of the 10.6.8 update.

Apple's whole "we don't know what a web browser is" thing is retarded. You can download all the fucking apps in the world, but Korean teenagers and shady Russian "iOS Developers" don't know how to program Wikipedia better than Wikipedia does, ergo, viewing Wikipedia the way it was actually intended, e.g. through a web browser, is better than a slow, vaguely retarded Wikipedia app (just as an example).

App store is full of fucking garbage, much like the internet itself used to be. Don't care. Don't look at apps. Still look at things ON THE FUCKING INTERNET USING A WEB BROWSER.

I don't agree with that. Wikipanion is far better than the Wikipedia site, specifically for searches and in-page navigation.

Especially because it's slow, ugly, and requires you to navigate away from whatever you were looking at by launching a completely different application! You're a fucking genius!

It's not slow. Ugliness is subjective. On an iphone/ipad you would have to navigate to a new browser window anyway. I am indeed a fucking genius.

WTF is "in-page navigation" anyway. Does anyone really have issues navigating within a page? Come on man.