I HATE APPLE

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well, yeah, briefly

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

you have one now though right? if so, and you want it as a media centre, then you're all set. no need to upgrade appliances.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

haha no i don't have one, i had a 2006 one i donated to my parents. it's more the principle of the thing that's annoying me

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 25 July 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

ah ok. i'm surprised it's taken this long tbh given their history with floppy drives.

caek, Monday, 25 July 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

To be fair the floppy drive was mostly used as an interchange medium between computers for personal files at that point. There were very, very few things seriously distributed on floppy commercially. Now we still have a fair amount of DVD/blu-ray traffic, with CD dying pretty quickly.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

well I guess I can be happy that my mac mini with a broken dvd drive is now state of the art.

akm, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

is this the part where we mention the PS3 as a media centre?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 08:37 (twelve years ago) link

lol

PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

apple tv is - again - a fail

the wii is much better as a television based internet/movies/ thing - excpet those Nintendicks didnt make it able to play DVD's on purpose

Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

I like my apple tv! I just think of it as an Airport Express that works for video, too.

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

Apple explicitly has no web browser, which is the best part

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I finally got Apple TV myself and it's a treat; since my move meant simplifying and upgrading my general A/V setup it was the key I needed.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

*visits celebrityonthenews.net for more celebrity news and pictures*

max, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

when are they goona make the 240gb iPod? never? that sucks, man

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

So, I've always been confused about just what Apple TV does. Is it just in interface to allow you to stream content (music, movies, TV) through iTunes? Like Airport Express but with movie/TV capabilities, too, connected via HDMI? How well does it handle non-proprietary formats? The only times I typically use my DVD drive these days are to burn copies of TV shows I've downloaded to DVD so that I can watch them on TV. Will Apple TV solve that problem, or will Apple, Inc. get in the way of what I want to do with its product?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

accidentally deleted my verisign public primary certificates from my system root (using keychain access). in hindsight i now have a much better understanding of how these things work.

stupid, i know. can't restore from time machine right now because i am out of state for a week. can't manually add certificates to system root. have managed to repopulate most of them by "always trusting" when i log out and back in to various services but i can't figure out how to get the "class 3" certificates back.

i am assuming this is why my mobileme pref pane and app store can no longer connect to apple's servers.

i am trying the 10.6.7 and 10.6.8 updates again in the hopes that will restore the missing system root certificates, but if that doesn't work ... any suggestions?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

I'm at work and not near a mac at the minute, but could someone export those certs so you could reimport them?

mh, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

can't import into "system roots" and i think that's where app store looks for them. i've already put them back into both "login" and "system" folders, to no effect.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

the ironic thing is i was fucking with the certificates in the first place because app store wasn't working properly, now it looks like i've permanently locked myself out of it AND fucked up mobileme completely.

maybe i'll just go get a new MBP today, this 2007 model is getting pretty rickety.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

can you get an education discount at a retail store?

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah just show some credentials xp

flop's son (dayo), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

ok, there we go. if you happen to ever fuck up the system root keychain parts you need to reinstall the latest big software update package (10.6.8 in this case). the clue i should have picked up on earlier was that the group of certificates i was messing with had an expiration date 25 years forward from the date of the 10.6.8 update.

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

Apple's whole "we don't know what a web browser is" thing is retarded. You can download all the fucking apps in the world, but Korean teenagers and shady Russian "iOS Developers" don't know how to program Wikipedia better than Wikipedia does, ergo, viewing Wikipedia the way it was actually intended, e.g. through a web browser, is better than a slow, vaguely retarded Wikipedia app (just as an example).

App store is full of fucking garbage, much like the internet itself used to be. Don't care. Don't look at apps. Still look at things ON THE FUCKING INTERNET USING A WEB BROWSER.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link

I don't agree with that. Wikipanion is far better than the Wikipedia site, specifically for searches and in-page navigation.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:41 (twelve years ago) link

Especially because it's slow, ugly, and requires you to navigate away from whatever you were looking at by launching a completely different application! You're a fucking genius!

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:51 (twelve years ago) link

It's not slow. Ugliness is subjective. On an iphone/ipad you would have to navigate to a new browser window anyway. I am indeed a fucking genius.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:53 (twelve years ago) link

WTF is "in-page navigation" anyway. Does anyone really have issues navigating within a page? Come on man.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:54 (twelve years ago) link

lol aa

Who? Well, I've never heard of Mogwai. (electricsound), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

"used to be"

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:58 (twelve years ago) link

There's a table of contents button. It's always there and it's easier than scrolling up.

Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:59 (twelve years ago) link

You must be reading some very long, complicated Wikipedia articles. I just scroll down to the part where it says "Demographics:" and start feeling thankful I don't form part of whatever demographic group whose page I'm looking at.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:02 (twelve years ago) link

when i first logged in on lion, it gave me a "some apps are not compatible" alert. i closed in instead of checking "more details". can osx tell me which of my apps aren't compatible?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:04 (twelve years ago) link

Just don't upgrade to Lion. Wait until you buy a machine that ships with Lion. There is absolutely no reason to upgrade to Lion unless you really hate having thirty bucks.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:10 (twelve years ago) link

lion is kind of fun tho

Clay, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:16 (twelve years ago) link

It's like upgrading your reality to one where the retards won.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link

hmm, that's not helpful, since i've already upgraded to lion

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

Wikipedia is the worst example there, because they don't know how to program their site. That's why their shitty mobile redirect traps you, meaning if you hit back from the mobile page to go to your search results, you just forwarded back to the mobile page again. Wikipanion is faster and better, for anything other than a hit-and-run fact.

Baja: scroll through Applications in big icon view. Apps that won't run will have a no entry sign embossed on the icon.

stet, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link

sorry to derail the salmon baiting...

any video/music making people updated yet? how is lion holding up? does it feel roughly the same as SL?

i like the idea of all these pretty new things, but not enough to warrant losing a bit of processing power and live processing stability

Crackle Box, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

also, right, say im in finder, i have 10 files selected and i want to know how much space these 10 files will take up when i copy them onto a usb stick or something

what's the quickest way of doing that?

Crackle Box, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

Option-command-I

stet, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

Also my favourite new thing in lion finder: with icons selected press ctrl cmd n to make a new folder and put them in it

stet, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link

will that not just bring up individual info boxes for each file?

Crackle Box, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

No, command I does that. Adding option gets you the old NeXT/10.1 get info inspector, which changes depending on ehat's highlighted and shows info for collections of icons etc

stet, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

i did not know that!

dan selzer, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

Apple doesn't know what a web browser is, that's why they originally insisted all iOS stuff be just HTML-based and had no native API. That's also why they have a web browser on their platform, and an entire development site explaining how to use device-specific HTML and JS extensions.

mh, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

im seeing an annoying bug in safari 5.1 where im looking for a thread, say "Retromania: Pop culture's..." and i hit cmd+f and type 'mania'

no results found /:

ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

There is absolutely no reason to upgrade to Lion unless you really hate having thirty bucks.
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this is otm ~regrets~

are mac mini's good value? can't decide betw. 13" mbp (which can be had for £850 on the refurb store) or mac mini + 24" monitor & ipad

nh (cozen), Thursday, 28 July 2011 07:56 (twelve years ago) link

The way Lion handles screen sharing sessions and a half dozen other things have made it worth it to me already!

mh, Thursday, 28 July 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link


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