Ask Shakey Mo Collier

I totally appreciate the effort. It's amazing how something like the chords being backwards in the last chorus of "Good Vibrations" is something you never really get until you sit and figure it out. And you pointed out why it happened (because of that V-I cadence at the beginning).

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this thread is a satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians that time.

thanking you!

And that bridge in "Add Some Music" is confusing! Thinking about it more, I would say it modulates briefly to C#, but is it C# major or minor? When you're on the G# dominant chord, it sounds like the next chord is going to be C# minor (because the iv chord preceding the G# had been F# minor). Instead, they go to C# major but it never really sounds like a tonic chord because that cycle of fourths starts instead.

The first time you hear the C# major, earlier in the bridge, I think you're still in the key of E and it's a V/ii chord.

Don't see how there's anything Phrygian about the verse in "Good Vibrations." It's just Eb minor.

Yeah, it depends on how you look at it I guess. If it were in Eb minor the Bb chord at the end of the descending progression would be a Bb minor, right? It depends on whether you hear the progression as being in Eb or in Bb, with it resolving to the tonic in the fourth chord. I stole the Phrygian idea from the wiki page about that progression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusian_cadence#Modal_vs._tonal

The "I don't know where but she sends me there" part is interesting. On the one hand, I think we recognize the Eb chord as an arrival at the home key, but it's coming off the tonicized Bb chord before it, so it's still really a IV chord (and sounds more like it when it actually goes back to the Bb chord afterward).

I guess it does make more sense to read the verse as being in Eb then, with the first part of the bridge being a return to Eb but major instead of minor.

And, yeah, that last chorus/coda bit is incredible with the chords going down instead of up and then back up in the coda, back down again and ending in the middle!

Yeah, I didn't do this to be confrontational to shakey or anything. I just thought from listening to Good Vibrations that the harmonic progression sounded pretty sophisticated, but I couldn't actually express why. I've been trying to learn more about theory lately and analyzing a lot of songs that I like, so I thought I would take a shot at these just to learn something, and discovering the descending then ascending stuff going on in Good Vibrations was really fun. I never really noticed that before.

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If it were in Eb minor the Bb chord at the end of the descending progression would be a Bb minor, right?

No, it's absolutely common practice for the five chord to be major in a minor key - that's, of course, the dominant chord and functions in the "perfect authentic cadence" (the third of the chord being the leading tone that resolves to the tonic note).

I guess I have two questions about the Phrygian argument in that article. One is that I just don't hear the Bb in the verse of "Good Vibrations" as being a tonal center! And then if Bb is the center, and we're calling it Bb Phrygian, why is that Bb chord major?

The only reason it's major is because it's a dominant chord, right?

add some lesbians to your day

hahaha

awesome thread btw

Dear Shakey,
Can you please tell how much time we have left to submit ballots in the jazz albums poll?

Regards,
J Redd et al

I'm a pedant, not a watchmaker

Try mapping out the chords to "This Whole World" or "Girls on the Beach"! Or (even though it's not much of a song), the last 30 seconds of "Pom Pom Play Girl"....

Chord changes galore, several entire key changes, very complex.

lol @ james redd. I think shakey finally worked it out in the end. (bet he still misses the deadline)

"Pom Pom Play Girl"....

"oooh! shake it!"

wtf, Shakey?
http://www.multiverse.org/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_of_The_Great_Rock_'n'_Roll_Swindle_and_Gold_Diggers_of_1977

shakey vote in that 70s poll. Its full of nominations of stuff you like! pfunk etc

also lol
http://www.multiverse.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shakey_Mo_Collier

A Dead Singer

A novella by Michael Moorcock featuring Jimi Hendrix and Shakey Mo Collier.

A veteran rock band roadie, Mo, with an addictive and dependent personality sees the (possibly) resurrected Jimi standing on an Imperial Airways flying boat taxiing toward a landing at Derwentwater. Thereafter, Mo keeps Jimi — the object of his hero worship — in isolation, traveling across the English and Scottish countryside in a black Mercedes camper. Jimi solely communicates with Mo and instructs the driver to keep secret his whereabouts.

The story begins as Mo’s addiction to speed is relapsing; as the story progresses, his drug consumption and paranoid psychosis increase until he returns to Ladbroke Grove to meet up with a drug dealer named Dave and score a large quantity of uppers, the consumption of which contributes to his death by overdose in a basement crash pad in Oxford Gardens.

The morning after Mo’s death, a girl from the Oxford Gardens pad, who admits to herself that she may be hallucinating, sees a black man who strongly resembles Jimi Hendrix enter the apartment, confirm Mo’s death, then drive away from the scene in the Mercedes camper.

I knew about the character, but it was this that prompted my reaction:

The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle     Gold Diggers of 1977
Steve Jones	                             Shakey Mo Collier

Hawkwind. Mo makes approving comments about the then-new HW cassette, and “Hawkwind is Ace” graffiti appears on a men’s room wall.

The Rolling Stones, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper. As a set, regarded as “evil trippers” and “wankers” by Mo

haha

i love the idea of our shakey mo being a gold digger

i always thought the SMC dn was a combination Moorcock/Neil Young reference

I first read about the SMC character from reading up on the Jerry Cornelius quartet after a tossed off mention of them from k-punk

https://twitter.com/sentantiq/status/799001031250165761

lol

it's true my wife is awesome

kinda hate dogs though

We need u in these trying times shakes

I like how the large majority of this thread has nothing to do with me

but sure, happy to help

Earlier today BG and I tried to summon you to open an An RIP BoJo thread. I might have missed it but somehow you seem to have done the trick all the same!

haha I did see he was hospitalized...

omg and he's in ICU too!?

hold tight, duty calls

my man <3

Where are you?

RIP Shakey Mo Collier

LOL

yeah i just realized the sly listening thread hasn’t been updated in two weeks ...

Precisely. Has he been posting anywhere else?

RIP Shakey Mo Collier

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