DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

I think that he came back within hours of the Libya "success" but took three days to return when his capital city was being torched by marauding youths is worthy of comment tbf.

yeah, just not endless self-congratulatory reiteration of the 'lol tory prick' comment, is all.

now go think about what you've done eh

Wait, he had another holiday already?

So, if he interrupts his hol then goes back, does that make it 2 hols?

(xpost) or indeed, "Wait, he had another holiday all ready?"

i think we can all assume "tory prick" is understood. the need to say it seems like a generational thing to me.

david 'two hols' cameron

It's like that double standard that says John Prescott cannot have two jaguars, and Tony Blair cannot make lucrative amountts on the lecture circuit, but if both situations were applied to Thatch, those people would fall down in praise at the offerings to the Magii...

'five hols' actuellement.

Prescott on Twitter yesterday explained that one of the two Jags was secondhand and cost £4K in Exchange and Mart.

same double standard that says blair can start a war as a nominal labour pm but still be less despised than a relatively inoffensive dim twat like dcam, i guess

think this is a good point darragh & we should shoot higher, but i think that 'tory prick' in this instance is shortform 'guy is going on holiday' -> 'guy does not give a shit' -> 'tory leadership is just utterly remote, detached & unconcerned from its people'. like i have no idea what he'd be doing that was useful if he wasn't on holiday - touring a building site or actively eviscerating some kind of useful food regulation standard or w/e, but it is 'lofty david cameron and his distance from being a useful public servant'

Prescott on Twitter yesterday explained that one of the two Jags was secondhand and cost £4K in Exchange and Mart.

That took him long enough, or was there a D-notice in tne media on this?

yeah fair point schlump, i do get the shorthand aspect of it too

same double standard that says blair can start a war as a nominal labour pm but still be less despised than a relatively inoffensive dim twat like dcam, i guess

― 10/11 of a dead jesus (darraghmac), Monday, 22 August 2011 09:35 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Less despised? You sure?

TBF darragh, most people here bitched about Blair's interventions - and still do. We don't despise either man for the exact same reasons.

xp: troo. the comment thread on his observer thing was not exactly sweetness and light.

Any PM going on holiday is always going to be subject to the "how can he, while they are felling trees in Nova Scotia at will!!!" comeback.

Still, though...

Cameron has taken five holidays over the course of a year, some of which have been spent in the company of disgraced News International execs. What bugs me is how he justifies it - basically if he doesn't have lots of hols he'll freak out/melt down.

Hope I'm not generalizing but I get the feeling most of ILX are still cross at Labour for abandoning Clause Four.

well at least i got ye complainin about blair for a bit, result imo

don't think the uk's problems would be solved by a prime minister working longer hours. seems like an odd thing to care about in that light. (modulo going on hols with NI people obviously)

Hope I'm not generalizing but I get the feeling most of ILX are still cross at Labour for abandoning Clause Four.

― robin hoodie (suzy), Monday, August 22, 2011 10:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm probably generalizing too, but that's the kind of generational thing i was talking about.

I read that as "but that's the kind of generalisation thing i was talking about."

Actually this is what fucks me off about left politics in both the US and the UK - after an interminable length in opposition, nominal party of the left *wins a landslide* and then sets about giving concessions that drag it to the centre/right, concessions that *none* of the voters charged it to make when voting against the cruelties of conservatism. I don't recall voting for anyone because I wanted them to renegotiate the social contract to disadvantage the general public.

modulo? is this an autocorrect thing, caek?

i just wiki'd it it's amazing

In the mathematical community, the word modulo is often used informally. Generally, to say "A is the same as B modulo C" means, more-or-less, "A and B are the same except for differences accounted for or explained by C".

so what caek was saying was that a was pretty much the same as b, except where it said mathematical it meant just brainy type caek dudes

it's a preposterous way of saying "except"

at least in my vernacular

ah I understand sentence now.

10 mod 4 is 2 (mod yields the remainder of a division)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQbgaYNd6I

What bugs me is how he justifies it - basically if he doesn't have lots of hols he'll freak out/melt down.

are you saying it would be possible for him to justify them in a way you found satisfying?

Hope I'm not generalizing but I get the feeling most of ILX are still cross at Labour for abandoning Clause Four.

Call it a long shot, but I think their record over 13 years in power might have something to do with it as well.

If Cam said "because I have total and utter faith in my cabinet and deputy I can go on hol"

T'would still be crap, but at least it'd make people laugh.

David Cameron speaking right now on BBC looks like boobs are growing on his forehead BTW.

Both Blair and Brown were very very centralized and controlling as PM's - this government feels closer to proper Cabinet government. When I think of health service reforms I think of Lansley, Gove for whatever educational fuckup he's forcing through etc. We don't have the PM's face attached to everything in the same way we used to. So yes, Cameron probably can get away with taking more time off.

and being teflon.

I think Cameron's Teflon days died with the News of the World.

Both Blair and Brown were very very centralized and controlling as PM's - this government feels closer to proper Cabinet government. When I think of health service reforms I think of Lansley, Gove for whatever educational fuckup he's forcing through etc. We don't have the PM's face attached to everything in the same way we used to. So yes, Cameron probably can get away with taking more time off.

suddenly reminded of david schneider shouting FREE SWIM!

I think Cameron's Teflon days died with the News of the World.

Dunno, he's still there, and Andy Coulson has dropped off the surface of him...

The Daniel Morgan story is back in play: it involves police bribes, newspaper involvement in gang violence, and an AXE MURDER. Coulson is neck deep in it. Due process -- and quite a lot of other news! -- has taken Coulson off the front pages for a while, but he'll be back. Cameron's critics -- who exist on all wings of politics -- will not be slow to connect DC to AC (ha!) and to rub all his moralty rhetoric in his own face. Politics be bein politics: have some faith in the ordinary jealousies, rivalries, egotisms and stupidities of the party system. If Cameron had found a way to suspend these, he would actually be a politician to reckon with over a long span.

The end of clause four was part of Blair's pitch to Labour in the mid-90s and Labour's pitch to the country in 1997. If we voted labour in 1997, we were in effect voting for the end of clause four. I wish this weren't so, but it is.

If it's an axe murder has JAN AKKERMAN been questioned?

"A reunion with Thijs van Leer in 1985 turned out to be unsuccessful" <-- evidence

wait wait wait, when did you start using punctuation? is that a c+p? help im confused.

same double standard that says blair can start a war as a nominal labour pm but still be less despised than a relatively inoffensive dim twat like dcam, i guess

Uh no, I would assume Blair is much more despised here than Cameron... for now, let's see what damage he can do in the next few years. And LOL Tory Prick never gets old.

Cameron's way ahead of Blair on foreign policy so far but that wouldn't be difficult. His domestic policy is abysmal.

Libya is Cameron's Kosovo, I suppose?

If Libya goes the way it's looking, then its consequences are unlikely to be containable or tidy the way kosovo (or the falklands) could soon seem, headline-wise: just as likely to lead to problem -- from DC's perspective -- as seemingly solve them; and quite likely quite quickly

Well, yes, but what I meant is even LOL Bliar started with a foreign policy 'success' and it was rapidly downhill from there.

Was that when he fixed Ireland?

yeah tbf we'd have to give him that. Responsible for riverdance n all the same man