DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

Actually this is what fucks me off about left politics in both the US and the UK - after an interminable length in opposition, nominal party of the left *wins a landslide* and then sets about giving concessions that drag it to the centre/right, concessions that *none* of the voters charged it to make when voting against the cruelties of conservatism. I don't recall voting for anyone because I wanted them to renegotiate the social contract to disadvantage the general public.

modulo? is this an autocorrect thing, caek?

i just wiki'd it it's amazing

In the mathematical community, the word modulo is often used informally. Generally, to say "A is the same as B modulo C" means, more-or-less, "A and B are the same except for differences accounted for or explained by C".

so what caek was saying was that a was pretty much the same as b, except where it said mathematical it meant just brainy type caek dudes

it's a preposterous way of saying "except"

at least in my vernacular

ah I understand sentence now.

10 mod 4 is 2 (mod yields the remainder of a division)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQbgaYNd6I

What bugs me is how he justifies it - basically if he doesn't have lots of hols he'll freak out/melt down.

are you saying it would be possible for him to justify them in a way you found satisfying?

Hope I'm not generalizing but I get the feeling most of ILX are still cross at Labour for abandoning Clause Four.

Call it a long shot, but I think their record over 13 years in power might have something to do with it as well.

If Cam said "because I have total and utter faith in my cabinet and deputy I can go on hol"

T'would still be crap, but at least it'd make people laugh.

David Cameron speaking right now on BBC looks like boobs are growing on his forehead BTW.

Both Blair and Brown were very very centralized and controlling as PM's - this government feels closer to proper Cabinet government. When I think of health service reforms I think of Lansley, Gove for whatever educational fuckup he's forcing through etc. We don't have the PM's face attached to everything in the same way we used to. So yes, Cameron probably can get away with taking more time off.

and being teflon.

I think Cameron's Teflon days died with the News of the World.

Both Blair and Brown were very very centralized and controlling as PM's - this government feels closer to proper Cabinet government. When I think of health service reforms I think of Lansley, Gove for whatever educational fuckup he's forcing through etc. We don't have the PM's face attached to everything in the same way we used to. So yes, Cameron probably can get away with taking more time off.

suddenly reminded of david schneider shouting FREE SWIM!

I think Cameron's Teflon days died with the News of the World.

Dunno, he's still there, and Andy Coulson has dropped off the surface of him...

The Daniel Morgan story is back in play: it involves police bribes, newspaper involvement in gang violence, and an AXE MURDER. Coulson is neck deep in it. Due process -- and quite a lot of other news! -- has taken Coulson off the front pages for a while, but he'll be back. Cameron's critics -- who exist on all wings of politics -- will not be slow to connect DC to AC (ha!) and to rub all his moralty rhetoric in his own face. Politics be bein politics: have some faith in the ordinary jealousies, rivalries, egotisms and stupidities of the party system. If Cameron had found a way to suspend these, he would actually be a politician to reckon with over a long span.

The end of clause four was part of Blair's pitch to Labour in the mid-90s and Labour's pitch to the country in 1997. If we voted labour in 1997, we were in effect voting for the end of clause four. I wish this weren't so, but it is.

If it's an axe murder has JAN AKKERMAN been questioned?

"A reunion with Thijs van Leer in 1985 turned out to be unsuccessful" <-- evidence

wait wait wait, when did you start using punctuation? is that a c+p? help im confused.

same double standard that says blair can start a war as a nominal labour pm but still be less despised than a relatively inoffensive dim twat like dcam, i guess

Uh no, I would assume Blair is much more despised here than Cameron... for now, let's see what damage he can do in the next few years. And LOL Tory Prick never gets old.

Cameron's way ahead of Blair on foreign policy so far but that wouldn't be difficult. His domestic policy is abysmal.

Libya is Cameron's Kosovo, I suppose?

If Libya goes the way it's looking, then its consequences are unlikely to be containable or tidy the way kosovo (or the falklands) could soon seem, headline-wise: just as likely to lead to problem -- from DC's perspective -- as seemingly solve them; and quite likely quite quickly

Well, yes, but what I meant is even LOL Bliar started with a foreign policy 'success' and it was rapidly downhill from there.

Was that when he fixed Ireland?

yeah tbf we'd have to give him that. Responsible for riverdance n all the same man

Smooth façade, lots going on underneath.

Wasn't he going to fix Palestine in his post PM career? How's that going?

Don't think Cameron really has Blair's Messiah complex.

he got some superb olives xp

'ha you couldn't even fix israel/palestine' not really oh-snap material
xp

I think he was convinced he could.

yah cameron doesn't really care about politics as praxis any more than as ideas

it's like he drew the short straw twenty yrs ago and had to go run the conservative party while his chums got to make proper money

^ precisely

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/24/prison-inmates-painting-jacqui-smith

Everyone's a winner, baby!

That is just too deliciously fucked.

I expected more, after that url

Her husband won't have a minute to himself...

I mean FFS! I know it's just an amusing LOL-typical story on the surface but it is SO FUCKING TYPICAL it basically sums up my misgivings of this whole debacle in one story.

would just like to take this opportunity to thank the heroic class warrior rioters for enabling this sort of shit

They're lucky if they make it that far tbh. Seems like the police have adopted a policy of randomly offing suspects. Three dead so far this week (two tasered to death, one dead after pepper spray) - what the hell's going on?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/23/volunteered-work-cameron-blair

john harris on the mandatory work placements thing

would just like to take this opportunity to thank the heroic class warrior rioters for enabling this sort of shit

― Once Were Moderators (DG), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 13:07 (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

Not sure I fully understand this post

beginning to wonder if i should include footnotes w/all my posts

― Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, August 19, 2011 4:00 PM (5 days ago)

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_Rebellion

2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Assizes

dorries and co really are a fucking nuisance eh

but then http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/31/downing-street-uturn-abortion-proposals, so
but yes obviously totally