I HATE APPLE

linking to this again -- totally worth reading: http://allenpaltrow.tumblr.com/post/9375814057/my-experience-with-jobs-and-apple

it's fucking great :D

My neighbor Brooke mentioned that Steve Jobs, busy as he is, always reads email sent to his public address. I think I was around 12, and I sent a very enthusiastic and grammatically incorrect message including a picture of my shaved head.

Apparently he forwarded it to the head of Public Relations, Katie, and I got invited to the opening of the 5th Avenue Cube. I can never thank them enough. This was probably the high point of my childhood.

damn the pictures are making me tear up

glad to see the bar is still high at princeton

That kid whose life revolved around Apple... wow.

markers i would dig it if you would say somethin more abt what this stuff means/t to you, cause not having had any kind of personal identification with apple i'm just kinda agog at it all.

I see what u did there HOOS

what'd i do

semi-called markers out for stanning because he's just kind of into it?

Yet another brave attempt to lure Markers out of his lol-hole and open up about what he actually thinks or feels!

(<3 u markers)

having never owned an apple product beyond an iPod touch i had for about 6 months, while i recognize the impact the man had on business and of course feel for a sick man forced into retirement by illness, i gotta say the outpouring of grief on twitter is weirding me out a little bit.

― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver)

i have something to say abt this but i'm frantically reading shit & rt'ing shit so bbl

― markers, Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

just reiterating

Ok. I remember getting Markers to open up was a "thing", on some thread. Maybe just too much time on ilx tho, do carry on

coddling markers is nagl dudes

markers i would dig it if you would say somethin more abt what this stuff means/t to you, cause not having had any kind of personal identification with apple i'm just kinda agog at it all.

― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:59 PM

i totally will, just need to think abt it first

have a few beers and just rant a bit, that is what I did last night.

Apple has no fyoochure now

lg = you the best

Steve Jobs' first and only authorized biography, "Steve Jobs: A Biography," will be updated with news of the Apple CEO's sudden resignation on Wednesday night and remains on track to hit bookstores in November.
Publisher Simon & Schuster said the highly anticipated tell-all biography, written by acclaimed biographer Walter Isaacson, will include Wednesday night's announcement from Jobs' point of view.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391778,00.asp

this is a good story: https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/gcSStkKxXTw

(vic's an svp at google)

Love that story Markers!

Only think I can't help but thinking is: these are stories that surface when someone has died.

:)

just saw someone on twitter saying something similar to yr last point

I've never been an Apple fanboy. I use macs and a iPod, but I would watch the keynote speeches or anything. But what I really dislike is how soon the backlash comes on Twitter especially. People express their awe and grief for Jobs resigning, which is completely fair, but less than 12 hours later there's also loads of people who feel the need to say "enough of Jobs already!". I don't think I'll ever understand people.

wouldn't watch

markers i would dig it if you would say somethin more abt what this stuff means/t to you, cause not having had any kind of personal identification with apple i'm just kinda agog at it all.

i don't know abt markers or any other apple stans but for me (ridic. fanboy) it's always been about Apple seeming to care about the same sort of things in tech that I do, and the fear of what it'll be like without them.

If you look at the state of computing around the 96/97 time when Apple was dying, it was woeful -- state of the art was Win 95, the operating system that warned you during installation that the installer might crash and just to pull the plug if it did. The thought of having to use that because the Mac was about to die ... brrr. Hardware is just as bad. There's been a pretty consistent pattern since about 1990 of me going "shit, I want an X that works, when is Apple going to make one?" because all the Xs on the market were hard-to-use dreck for engineers, and when Apple finally made an X it was damn-near exactly what I wanted (even if I didn't know what that was!).

X could have been a laptop, or a printer, or an MP3 player, or a phone, or a tablet. Each time, the tech industry was shoving out crap, and Apple blew it away. They have forgotten better stuff than some companies will ever make. The damn iPhone 4 is already making a better job of being a pocket digital camera than the entire camera industry could come up with. Srsly -- furiously competitive market in the world and nobody else could come up with tap-to-focus, let alone instagram?

There's a quote from Jobs which is a bit much for me, where he says that he doesn't hate Microsoft, it's "just that they simply have no taste." He might as well have said that most of the tech industry doesn't have any taste. And if you're into tasteful gadgetry instead of yet more junk, the idea of the industry without Apple is a bleak one.

(There's also the fact that when Microsoft was at its height, it was seen as inevitable that we'd have to put up with their shitey crashy will-this-do? bullshit because that was what people "wanted". You had to argue hard for the Mac way of thinking, while it had barely 3% market share, and that defensiveness (plenty of it Apple-encouraged) gave rise to a whole culture, which has weirdly infected kids who've never known anything but a totally dominant Apple.)

tldr: Jobs saved Apple, Apple make stuff that doesn't make you want to continually stab yr eyes, Apple without Jobs could be a disaster, need to sharpen my pencils again, boo.

Jobs is a modern American folk hero, a Paul Bunyan of the digital age.

PS Are there any Apple keynote speeches/presentations on youtube that are especially historic/amazing to watch? I don't mind sitting through that stuff but some of it is really long and I'd like to be pointed to the 'greatest hit' maybe. Is there a top ten list somewhere?

http://admintell.napco.com/ee/images/uploads/appletell/_NEWTON_thumb.GIF

stet OTM

at the same time, i find myself loving/hating what jobs did to the computer industry, in that he took what was one generation's ham radio (active tinkering hobby) and turned it into the next generation's boob tube (couch consumption hobby).

you can see it in the attitude of dudes like that princeton douchebag markers linked to twice: the greatest achievement of my life re: steve jobs was not doing something he might have done, but getting to the front of the line in his store. that is a little bit like writing a lee iacocca tribute that is about your excitement about winning a pinto on price is right.

but then again, that douchebag is of the generation that confuses posting lists with critical thinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3JzS0K3ys

Adam--

this came out today and might be good -- haven't looked at it too much:

http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/25/steve-jobs-apples-ceo-retrospective-products/

lots of stuff to dig through in these:

http://www.youtube.com/user/peestandingup#g/u
http://www.youtube.com/user/AppleKeynotes#g/u

you should also google for some of the interviews that've been done w/ jobs @ the allthingsd conferences

There's a quote from Jobs which is a bit much for me, where he says that he doesn't hate Microsoft, it's "just that they simply have no taste."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOgOP_aqqtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmG9jzCHtSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rco9xujjAak

right, so what is the end result of this culture of taste? what is the measure of a man? his amazon want list? the selection of fine links and exclusive goods he curates on his blog? the tweets he retweets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu0qeb_rJYU

at the same time, i find myself loving/hating what jobs did to the computer industry, in that he took what was one generation's ham radio (active tinkering hobby) and turned it into the next generation's boob tube (couch consumption hobby).

I understand this feeling and yet.

See, I was never and have never been a tinkerer or gearhead or whatever the term/field is. That's not me, except maybe under duress or need, however limited or specific. For a user like me, I just...want something that works. That may not be very freeing -- cue the Eco distinction between Apple/Catholicism and PC-fragmentation/Protestantism -- but it's not what I've ever been after, nor have I ever really desired.

The reason I became an Apple fiend was a simple one -- back in 1987, my folks decided to get a computer of my choice for my birthday. So my dad and I go to the Navy Exchange in Coronado to the computer section, after having pondered options earlier. I remember thinking that the whole deal with tons of PC choices seemed a bit much, and the store selection wasn't helping. But we ended up talking to a clerk, real friendly and enthusiastic guy, helping us talk through our options. He figured I would really like a Mac the most and explained why, noting its simplicity and how it was designed for someone -- like me! -- who just wasn't much interested in programming. Smart call, and I've never regretted it, and I don't think it's meant to be some horrible thing to feel that way about something. Some people obsessively rebuild cars, other people just want something to get to the grocery store and back.

"we dont touch my junk"

I don't think it's meant to be some horrible thing to feel that way about something

this is true

it means more when ned says it tho cause he's not a dumbass

whereas you can't tell when jobs sounds like a visionary and when he sounds like any other salesman

tbf to microsoft's junk it has traditionally been a bit better at gaming than apple's objets d'art, so yeah i suppose the ipad is the perfect X if you never wanted to play anything more complex than angry birds

so yeah i suppose the ipad is the perfect X if you never wanted to play anything more complex than angry birds

this is stupid

no it isn't

if you spend ten seconds watching one of the keynotes where ppl are demoing games, it's obvious that an ipad can run games way more complex than angry birds

like bejeweled, for instance