I HATE APPLE

Well yeah, and the point is that we were already there and we lived that, right? :)

i also lived having to attempt to fix the office mac (G3, OS8) which crashed every time we tried to do anything with it, and it wasn't a very old computer when it became demented

hardware lock-in, console style approach etc should be a games developer's dream eh

Look, if you wanted to play a game you could buy a console and have it just work, buy a PC and pissfart around with settings and hardware until it worked, or buy a Mac and never play anything ever. That's all changing atm but it took a bloody long time.

Also. being all rockist about ipad games is missing the point that the ipad doesn't do everything a PC/console does and vice versa.

console games and pc games historically haven't been interchangeable, which was a good thing

lol 'rockist'

i have this old pc that was running windows vista for a while. i had to scrub it a week or two ago and reinstall windows xp. that shit feels like the stone age. you know that for a full decade or longer, microsoft just. didn't. care. about its relationship with whoever was at the end of the keyboard. i don't think it ever knew who that was! beyond someone stupid. i swear, the same aspie nerds who programmed were the ones who wrote all the prompts. remember the searching dog? what a cheap attempt to make something "cuter" and what a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is that endears an actual thinking human being to your technology. i think there must have been a "lowest common denominator" approach at apple that imagined some strawperson's grandma who can't drive beyond the keyboard -- just imagined it -- and called that good.

apple won by being the first tech/computing firm to evolve beyond the stone age. which is not just impressive but admirable and awesome and inspiring and beautiful and all that! but it's also a big part of how the marketing of function and design has become a spectacle. it's also become heavily invested in the relationship between seamlessness/integration/*invisibility* and success/consumption/streamlined processes in the larger world of the market. yes, more people may be programming but what are they creating and how is it transforming their worldview, etc. are there more possibilities now or is there a greater sense of market forces, consolidation, media consumption habits, it infrastructure reinforcing the status quo? in other words, what is transformative, what is revolutionary, what is a shiny new bauble, what is an easier time of passive consumption, or worse, the spectacle/mirage/hypocrisy of *changing the world* cf. hoos' social media friend.

that was very badly written, but in a nutshell: 1) microsoft really was awful by every standard you can think of, 2) apple was great by all those standards, 3) good work, but is it really doing us any good.

^terrific post.

windows xp. that shit feels like the stone age. you know that for a full decade or longer, microsoft just. didn't. care. about its relationship with whoever was at the end of the keyboard. i don't think it ever knew who that was! beyond someone stupid.

This is utterly utterly otm. Microsoft's specific demographic was ~everyone in the entire world~ and it chose a flood of useless information over intuitive design to address that. If you feel the need to constantly hold the the user's hand throughout a search function, you probably need to redesign the search function.

I have to use XP at work and I've trained it to mostly stay out of my way (tweakui has saved lives), but it still runs like an absolute dog, and it still actively hassles me on a four-hourly basis every time it downloads system updates (cmd -> "net stop wuauserv" has also saved lives).

xp is the stone age! well the iron age at least. it's so old it's been relegated to a virtual machine for stuff that doesn't like 64-bit

MS will support it forever though. Jobs has no qualms about killing anything, which is a plus when it comes to making products. Not having to play to corporate environments with high requirements and low margins? Excellent.

yes, more people may be programming but what are they creating and how is it transforming their worldview, etc. are there more possibilities now or is there a greater sense of market forces, consolidation, media consumption habits, it infrastructure reinforcing the status quo? in other words, what is transformative, what is revolutionary, what is a shiny new bauble, what is an easier time of passive consumption, or worse, the spectacle/mirage/hypocrisy of *changing the world*

^^ OTM

at least xp works! like doesn't crash all the time. that was a big step for microsoft.

Oh yeah, XP was solid for its time (and it's probably unfair of me to criticise it in 2011) but in UX terms it was on the brink of being my mother. Vista was my mother.

If you feel the need to constantly hold the the user's hand throughout a search function, you probably need to redesign the search function.

― ceci n'est pas une witty dn (Schlafsack), Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^ boom

yes, more people may be programming but what are they creating and how is it transforming their worldview, etc. are there more possibilities now or is there a greater sense of market forces, consolidation, media consumption habits, it infrastructure reinforcing the status quo? in other words, what is transformative, what is revolutionary, what is a shiny new bauble, what is an easier time of passive consumption, or worse, the spectacle/mirage/hypocrisy of *changing the world*

You're getting at something here that I think is interesting, and I'd like to prod at it, but I'm not sure I follow you completely. Could you put it another way?

Because it strikes me that "are there more possibilities now or do we just have the illusion of same" is something worth posing, but you've got a lot of other larger ideas and commas thrown in there and I'm struggling to connect them with this particular insight.

PS Are there any Apple keynote speeches/presentations on youtube that are especially historic/amazing to watch? I don't mind sitting through that stuff but some of it is really long and I'd like to be pointed to the 'greatest hit' maybe. Is there a top ten list somewhere?

Of all of them (and I've seen a lot, even spoke w/Jobs very briefly) I love the iPhone introduction. The "are you getting it?" line kills...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASkis57blsc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec76iwztQok

This is also great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1R-jKKp3NA

this thread

yeah, windows 95 was pretty crappy, take that bill

http://twitpic.com/5vbvf9/full

yes, mcdonalds have made sure their wifi is compatible with apple products -- now you can use your mac, in mcdonalds, to do things on the internet

lol silby

ahaha that's great

i'm going to pass on trying to explain how i feel about jobs & why his resignation was a deal to me

this df post that i linked to above about the resignation is worth reading: http://daringfireball.net/2011/08/resigned

no, it's not.

if ppl want some jobs & apple-related discussion, the this is my next guys put up this week's podcast: http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/25/podcast-021-08-25-2011/

maybe someday i'll write something somewhere about jobs

oh, and talk show's recording tomorrow btw: http://5by5.tv/talkshow

:/

alright yo

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Steves-Brain-Leander-Kahney/dp/B001LF4ARC/

i've read that twice & think there's some good stuff in it

not a perfect book tho

i'll also be reading the isaacson bio starting the day it comes out

Man, first FCPX, then this!

lool turing machine markers

my feelings about jobs are kind of mixed. this comes pretty close for me to summing up probably the main problem i have with him http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/10/04/if-wishes-were-iphones

somebody call the waaaaaaaahmbulance

I do love that an allegedly gay man is now CEO of such an enormous company.

― ceci n'est pas une witty dn (Schlafsack), Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:01 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not even allegedly at this stage http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/25/dont-ignore-tim-cooks-sexuality/

also http://blog.fawny.org/2011/02/02/gaylives/

like, that's not an excuse to call you a dick, i'm curious why you're so weirdly venomous here.

― *steens furiHOOSly* (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:50 PM

for explanation, i turn it over to some dude

i'm done trying to cajole you into posting like the smart, opinionated person i know you are, i know you're dedicated to stupid gifs and youtubes and "looooool" til the end of time, i guess i should just ocnsider a killfile (i usually don't like the idea of a killfile because it seems like it would make threads confusing, but since you never prompt or participate in any real discussion it probably wouldn't make a difference).

― some dude, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:09 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry you feel that way

― markers, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:11 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry your posting persona sucks ass

― some dude, Friday, August 26, 2011 12:13 AM Bookmark

Picture of Steve Jobs from today, and ummm he doesn't look good at all http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick

oh no! poor guy.

:-(

:-\

he looks dressed for the grave

holy crap, that is bad. he didn't look that bad a month ago or whenever the icould thing got announced. not good.

I can't figure out if and when I should sell aapl. I feel like I should have sold at 400, and now this. Obviously not that much is going to change in the short term day to day, but who knows what will happen when he dies. I guess they have a ridiculous amount of cash though.

looks.... fake?

i mean obviously he's sick enough to quit as CEO but that there photo don't really look right

is he wearing a dress