Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

The company, which claims to be the largest digital marketplace for vehicles with 80% of all available used cars for sale in the UK (and is part-owned by Guardian Media Group),

at least they owned up to the shameless shilling

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/sep/08/andy-murray-donald-young-live

Hello! I wasn't meant to be doing this, I was doing something else with my time, but it turns out no one else was doing it. Hooray for us! Well done everyone! So here we are. Here I am. Anyway this match has been going on for the last 20 minutes or so and the big news is that Andy Murray has broken Donald Young twice and leads 5-2 in the first set.

i was thinking of reviving for something dumb about pop culture in today's G2, but i've basically forgotten what it was already. oh, it was the pass notes on eddie murphy. that was pretty dumb. also one of the front page headlines is 'police question Guardian reporter'

i saw simon munnery the other night and one of his gags was "sometimes i get so downhearted and fatalistic about the mindlessly cruel nature of the world and my inability to do anything about it that i have to have a bit of a lie down and stop reading the guardian for two or three days"

guilty, self-regarding laughter

TBF Police question Guardian reporter is a genuine story, in the context of the whole phone-hacking saga.

also one of the front page headlines is 'police question Guardian reporter'

Reminds me of one headline in The Hampstead and Highgate Express (surely the most smugly upper-middle class local paper in the world): "Teen Has iPod Stolen".

In fairness, it was the headline story on the front page of the Evening Standard yesterday. The Guardian ignoring it would look worse than running with it.

has timothy garton ash ever said anything interesting ever

did he not mention that he was in Berlin when the wall fell?

As a commentator on central / Eastern Europe he's preferable to Luke Harding, tbf. Indicative of the paucity of good writing on the area that Garton Ash's one of the less objectionable reporters.

also one of the front page headlines is 'police question Guardian reporter'

err this is kind of a big deal rly

as private eye put it, no police officer has been really done for leaking to NI over a freakin' decade. but one police officer talks to one guardian journalist and...

Indicative of the paucity of good writing on the area that Garton Ash's one of the less objectionable reporters.

― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:50 (2 hours ago)

idk i have only really read his comment articles which are mostly full of grandstanding WELL what BOTH sides fail to see is... 'objectivity' and the recourse to some sort of olympian perspective which allows him to grasp things that the people running the show somehow fail to notice

he's like the marcello carlin of journalism

not the best-formed 'puccini of' joke i've heard this year

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xxp, yep, that's a fair characterisation of Garton Ash. On the other hand, what he's competing against tends to be partisan nonsense on both sides so anyone willing to at least acknowledge complexity in the issues they're talking about is a step up, even if they're rarely all that perceptive in reality.

Was it some kind of editorial mess-up, or was Lex of this parish praising British Sea Power in today's Review section?

ERM WHAT

obviously not but WHAT HAS HAPPENED

haven't read garton ash for years, but have always been fond of a story he told about being a journalist in an iron curtain country in the 70s or 80s, re phone-surveillance

he and some dissident -- a literary type -- were chatting on the phone, not about politics (which would have been nuts) but about novels... at a certain point, some way into the chat, a third voice unexpectedly broke into the conversation, to tell them they were BOTH RONG abt such-and-such a classic author/text, and what all right-thinking intelligent readers knew to be the case was [insert opinion here]

anyway, i have always liked the notion of this impatient secret policeman, unable to bear the pretentious nonsense his targets were blabbering, being unable not to bust cover and put them straight literature-wise

xp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/sep/08/film-and-music-playlist?INTCMP=SRCH

"This rousing 14-minute art-rock epic remains the standout of what was one of the noughties' finest debuts" -- the lex

:D

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:(

lex otm

xp print edition F & M playlist:

British Sea Power, Lately

... This rousing 14-minute art-rock epic remains the standout of what was one of the noughties' finest debuts.

Alex Macpherson

Didn't think you would be writing that!

and oh dear

Man I really hope this isn't a hilarious attribution cockup and that there's actually a new Alex Macpherson who will be consistently repping for Belle & Sebastian and Embrace records from now on.

"Alex Macpherson on his all-time favourite album, Pulp's Different Class"

"nimble bass lines"

TGA seems to know a lot, about world politics

I would think that re Stalinist states his liberal view is the correct one

There are interesting arguments to make against him, eg re the easy assumption of endless Chinese power: China could change socially, democratize and hence cause problems for its growth -- etc, etc

but he is a lot better than most commentators, in the Guardian, actually.

was always amused by Perry Anderson way back, 1999 or so, reviewing TGA and saying he was a Cold Warrior, a man of the Right, and TGA indignantly writing in and contradicting this (LRB)

actually TGA wrote in to say he WAS a Cold Warrior and proud of it!

it's been rectified online :)

kmt i had no idea british sea power were even still going, i remember having to see them as a student. fucking dreadful nonsense that for all its "arty" pretensions sounded no less stodgy and unexciting as any other bog standard indie SHITE

also funny in that exchange with TGA (or perhaps a later one)*: perry a. using the word "amphibologies", basically as a super-fancy way of saying "ambiguities"

*they all merge into one very article no living human has reached the end of, or ever will

<3 lex forgetting to submitting using pseudonym chris salmon

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/sep/07/favourite-album-lost-souls-doves
Guardian and Observer writers are picking their favourite albums – with a view that you might do the same. Here, Alex Macpherson floats away with the music of Doves

kmt

this was mine

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/aug/12/tori-amos-from-choirgirl-hotel

I don't remember Perry A using that word
or do I?
maybe I do!
he does use recondite words !!

I share some of your experience of his work
but mainly re the Cyprus essay
which just went on and on and on

and on and on

and it was only about bloody Cyprus !!!

against this
he is a master of prose
virtually the best non-fictional writer of English prose
that I can think of
or wish to
think of.

I mostly find him a pleasure to read

but not about Cyprus.

i am absolutely using "amphibologies" next chance i get

ha ha third google entry for same is... an article on perr.

4th entry should now be this thread?

pinefox, that is a strange claim about anderson re: prose. I mean my only exposure to him are those endless lrb articles, but there's nothing really there that makes me think 'yes, a master'. Just seems to chug along, telling me more stuff, then more stuff again, then some more stuff. And then I forget the stuff.

and it was only about bloody Cyprus !!!

wtf is this supposed to mean you tit

i have mixed feelings. he's a comic figure in lots of ways. but 'in the tracks of historical materialism' is a straight-up jam.

of course in the matter of the greatest living English prose writers there is always your other favourite - Michael Wood.

Just bought this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Old-World-Perry-Anderson/dp/184467312X

It has a WHOLE CHAPTER on boring old Cyprus, will soldier on regardless.

xp
ah yes I think we may just have wildly different expectations of good non-fictional prose.

another funny PA story: when he published a series of critical essays in the LRB in the early 70s on key conservative thinkers -- oakeshott, hayek i think, forget the others -- e.p.thompson sent him a note saying "these are rascals! please stiffen your tone"

The LRB was going in the early 70s?

started late 70s/ early 80s IIRC?