Is Daft Punk's "Discovery" supposed to be ironic?

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Cheesey is a term which is too loaded and subjective to use in this context, the title of the thread deals with irony, I think Too Long is a straightforward club track compared to Digital Love which does seem to be more bizarre and outgoing in the camp stakes.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe they should have called it "Irony Is a Weapon" or "Irony Is a Shortcut to Ecstatic Release," because that's what I get out of it. how'd these strategies they use become cheese? because their initial impact dulled thanks to mindless repetition, which is why I brought Creed into it, because they're (to me) an example of a band going through really hoary motions, motions that might actually work if they're done with a little more flair or imagination or effort, and rendering them dull dull dull.

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Matos is OTM, I think. Some of the songs sound like they'd work if only they'd done this or that (like the bassline on Aerodynamic.. dammit, it's hitting all the wrong notes!)

Curtis Stephens, Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I meant stragegies historically, just to clarify)

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nabs - yr lichtenstein comment doesn't help me any, because it's still nostalgia to me. Nostalgia writ large and glittery for the modern age is still referential (reverential!) and dependant on the audience's association with the prior art.

I think in most cases DP is nonironic because they are either making straight up dance traxxx (too functional to be ironic) or getting all 1979 space-age with complete reverence for the original styles and settings albeit updated (lichtensteined) with modern technique. There are plenty of other artists in a similar vein nowadays and I don't think irony even enters into the picture.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 15 February 2003 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

DP is totally non-ironic. C'mon now.

booyah achieved, Saturday, 15 February 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

God, what a great thread!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

yr not just being ironic, are you Jay Vee?

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

i still say that the experience of hearing it the first time
was a genuine damascus-road revelation unbeaten by owt else since.
in terms of life-changing records this is right up there as it
totally revitalised, and altered what i listened to, buy and wanted
to hear from then on.
irony can do this ? don't think so. they didn't spend two
solid years with a smirk on their faces surely ?

and why didn't they tour it do we know ?
surely the best record never to be toured *at all*.

piscesboy, Saturday, 15 February 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why don't they ever tour, it's a shame, that live album is just salt into that wound.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 15 February 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Silly rabbits, irony's for crits

dave q, Saturday, 15 February 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah was that live album a once off?
i think its better than either album...
did they used to tour or what?

robin (robin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think they did a few gigs, ever that is.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

they did a whole tour for homework, i thought.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

they never came to australia tho :(

minna (minna), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember reading an article about a concert they were a part of. I think it was spring break in Florida last year (it wouldn't have been Goa, would it?)? It was somewhere warm, and they had their masks off.

Dan I., Sunday, 16 February 2003 08:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Millar, you really think of Lichtenstein as just nostalgic? I say that not to argue or anything, I'm just really taken aback, because I take it as super face-level obvious that he was sort of working with that imagery, not just cooing over it. Half the time he doesn't even seem to like it -- like he has this grand affection for the beauty of it but does all this spiteful meddling with what that beauty was, what it "meant," how it worked.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 16 February 2003 08:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Also when L. was making those paintings those halftone comics were not a thing of the past.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 16 February 2003 08:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Nostalgia' is probably a less appropriate word than 'irony' (which may, if nabisco is correct, be inappropriate) in this sort of context. The world shouldn't have let the word for that precious thing get so tainted.

the pinefox, Sunday, 16 February 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

See, the more I think about it the more I think it does have to do with "irony" in the sense of what "irony" actually means, not the way it gets used now -- that is, irony in the sense of an interesting disjunction between what occurs and what's expected. But only in this broad useless way -- if you stretch that definition too much then, like, "innovation" is a form of irony, at which point "irony" means "an aspect of everything ever."

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 16 February 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

The world shouldn't have let the word for that precious thing get so tainted.

explain please. this is not enough, too vague. nostalgia relates simply to the past. this is extremely confusing piefox, please clarify. how can an album which looks back to a previous era with affection not be nostalgic? this is baffling to say the least.

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

piefox!!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

seventeen years pass...

It's not nostalgia nor is it irony, and I like the idea that there's not a word for it. What I get is the feeling I had as a kid at the Magic Kingdom, after baking in the sun waiting in lines all day, euphoric throughout, and then watching the Main Street Electrical Parade, when it's finally dark and cooler, and the lights & music project a different euphoria: it's all over, you're going home soon, things won't be magical tomorrow. That's "Superheroes" to me.

All cars are bad (Euler), Monday, 4 January 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link

it's both of those things surely, not exclusively, or with any of the implied disparagement that gets attached to those concepts

thread is an interesting time capsule. I don't get the need to define irony so narrowly here, or to treat it as a dirty word. or the need to justify what DP is doing in futurist/progressive terms (feels v brit music press) to defend it from accusations of revivalism (clearly the worst thing music could be back then)

Left, Monday, 4 January 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link

the album name could still be a pun though. disco? very!

StanM, Monday, 4 January 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link

^^That album was in fact nicknamed "Disco, very!" by the members of ELO.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 4 January 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link

Well, I think the Disneyland comparison is supremely OTM, DP/Discovery as an impossible, manufactured utopia that doesn't purport to be a reality so much as it requires a suspension of disbelief. The trick of their trade is to manipulate or seduce you into checking your skepticism.

So it's easy to understand their attraction to forms that are devoid of cynicism, or mutually incompatible. LRD "Darkdancer" comes to mind as an album from that time which employed unfashionable (then) retro influences to a similar effect

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 00:13 (three years ago) link

They don’t really sample or evoke well known songs so I the nostalgia factor of “hey, remember this?” is missing imho. It’s also clearly done with love for a certain mood and era, so I’d say the “irony” isn’t there either. I’d rather describe “Discovery” as an homage.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 12:05 (three years ago) link

i'm a bit confused as to why someone would think of Discovery as being "ironic". Then again the landscape in 2003 was very different to today.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 13:14 (three years ago) link

if anyone is confused by the premise of this thread, keep in mind I was 15 years old when I started it

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link

not an excuse

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link


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