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I'd say that M.I.A.'s voice has a family resemblance to grime, though I might have trouble explaining what the resemblance is

its called 'squawking'

ass pirate, Friday, 3 February 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say that M.I.A.'s voice has a family resemblance to grime, though I might have trouble explaining what the resemblance is

It's called a British accent.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I like your comments, Josh, but I can see how they might not be condensable into P&J tidbit size, or might not fit with what other people were saying. (Remember when there used to be the comment category "miscellaneous"?)
I've never even heard Mercenary. I guess I need to give Rob Lee and Lightning Bolt another shot.

-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), February 2nd, 2006.

Thanks Frank! I was hoping some anti-Kanye rant would make it in, but to no avail. Anyway, I thought to ask you, what do you like/find important about "What's Luv"? Cos I really can't stand the song, but that might fit into your point. Is it the "thug-n-slush" aspect? I haven't heard it in years, so I'm not sure I can cite examples of dislike beyond "the melody's annoying" and "the refrain sounds cutesily scripted". And I even liked Fat Joe's '05 CD!

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Open Letter to Kanye: Yes, but do we really want Bush to care about black people? He cares about Iraq...)Otherwise, and much more succinctly than in past years (though apparently less soundbitey than in several of those)http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

(Open Letter to Kanye: Yes, but do we really want Bush to care about black people? He cares about Iraq...)Otherwise, and much more succinctly than in past years (though apparently less soundbitey than in several of those)http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don, Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

ah shit

don, Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

it's also called annoying, forgotten in 2 years time, overhyped, non-selling,fodder for lonely fanboy fantasies,..........

droog patron, Saturday, 4 February 2006 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

the thing about Hallelujah is that people in her hometown thought she'd died because she'd disappeared and hadn't been heard from. but she's very much alive.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 4 February 2006 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I really DO have the lamest stalkers on here!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 4 February 2006 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I especially love "forgotten in two years' time." let's see, when did I first hear "Galang"? Oh yeah--two years ago! Who was that again?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 4 February 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

(And people who think 2005 was bad because "nothing new happened in grime/microhouse/schaffel plus that Daft Punk album really stunk" aren't even living on the same planet as me. Or at least the same country.

I can't figure out if this is a dig at electronic-music listeners like myself, or electronic purists (not like myself, despite what y'all may think). Or just coincidental. But actually, 2005 was a fantastic year for techno (in the broadest possible definition of the term; you can say "electronica" if you like too, i don't care). Fucking fantastic, the great stuff just kept coming. In fact, probably the reason I heard so little OUTSIDE the electronic diaspora was that the e-music was so good (plus I am sort of lazy), I didn't feel much need to go straying elsewhere. I used to feel guilty about living in such a narrow little corner, but no longer.

Re: MIA and grime, I don't really see the connection--the rhythmic signatures are quite different, and grime's way heavier on the low end. MIA's is quite sunny music, at the end of the day; it doesn't have the same cavernous, apocalyptic qualities as grime. But then again, I haven't really heard any new grime for 18 months or so, so perhaps it's all changed; I lost interest when the emphasis shifted from beats/production to lyrics.

Maybe next year I should actually submit some P&J comments or something, so y'all don't have to listen to me thinking about loud on threads like these.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 4 February 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

>MIA's is quite sunny music, at the end of the day; it doesn't have the same cavernous, apocalyptic qualities as grime. <

Does Lady Sovereign? (Just asking.) (I mean, I don't know that apocalyptic cavernousness is something I associate with *any* of the grime I've heard, to be honest. But obviously there are people out there, including Phil I'm guessing, who've heard way more of it than I have.)

>people who think 2005 was bad because "nothing new happened in grime/microhouse/schaffel plus that Daft Punk album really stunk"<

...may well have been a *strawman*; I'm not sure. But I *think* I heard people saying stuff like that about 2005. Can't name any names off hand though. Was I just imagining things?

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

re: grime's cavernousness: to me, grime's core sound rests on almost out-of-tune, wobbly bass and really lurching rhythm patterns, best summed up by, say, plasticman or mark one. but i suppose that's more dupstep, in some sense. then again, in drum'n'bass, i always preferred tech-step, so maybe it's just me that's looking to define the genre by its darkest strains.

re: strawmen & 2005 in techno - obviously i can't say what you may have heard people saying, but i don't think i heard anything like that (aside from, yeah, a litany of complaints about the daft punk album); maybe i just hang out with shameless boosters, but everyone i know shared my boundless enthusiasm, in real and netspace alike. and judging by what i've heard so far, 2006 is going to be even better. if people were saying things like that, chuck, fuck'em!

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to feel guilty about living in such a narrow little corner, but no longer.

This makes me think of Henri Michaux, for some reason.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 February 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link


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