Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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I meant to put that here.
Guardian - pop music = conservatism
Have now.

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Banner headline for Harold Pinter tribute today, pages 14-15 (perhaps not later editions?)

"Theatrical world applauds life and art of our greatest living playwright"

Alba, Saturday, 27 December 2008 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

It's in my copy, lolz.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Saturday, 27 December 2008 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

The first few paragraphs of this George Monbiot piece are vintage stuff

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 12:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Couldn't make it past the 3rd as was laughing too hard. Hope there's a bit where he goes and burns down a holiday cottage.

I Was a Teenage Armchair Hongro Fan (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link

He's never been shouted at in Wales apparently. Any Welsh ILXors out there to take up the challenge?

Neil S, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 12:53 (fifteen years ago) link

when I wrote to a very active councillor asking his permission to recommend him for a gong, he replied: "I would prefer not to seek such an honour."

George Monbiot believes in the honours system?

Bob Six, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i nhad assumed that he was an 'hon' himself, but pops seems not to have been enobled despite all his service to the nation/conservative party.

Brohan Hari, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I wouldn't have imagined him to be super concerned about national borders either but As far as I can discover, this is the only country in Europe that you cannot traverse by train without spending most of the journey passing through another. The only rail link that allows you to travel from north to south crosses the border near Llangollen and doesn't re-enter Wales until it approaches Abergavenny, 100 miles away kinda suggests otherwise - I mean this is a true statement, I think, but the specific importance of this eludes me

da cryypiä (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Think it means Monbiot's been caning the Snowballs and chocolate liqueurs since Christmas Eve.

I Was a Teenage Armchair Hongro Fan (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Reminds me I need to go and buy another bottle of Warnink's.

I Was a Teenage Armchair Hongro Fan (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Gonna be travelling that Abergavenny line on NYD, will pour one out for Monbiot as I exploit Wales for inter-England travel purposes.

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

This impulse arises from a number of observations: in two years of walking through the valleys and over the hills here, I have never been shouted at; the cafe in the local leisure centre serves smoothies in measures labelled "small" (about a pint) and "regular" (about two pints); when I wrote to a very active councillor asking his permission to recommend him for a gong, he replied: "I would prefer not to seek such an honour."

vs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/sets/1391696/

caek, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Dude Likes Holiday Home Better Than Real Home, film at 11.

I Was a Teenage Armchair Hongro Fan (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link

god bless this humble little land

Local Garda, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Those photos are tremendous (you imperialist polish dog)

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

The dude who took those came to a house party at mine earlier this year with a bunch of crazy Pole pals who drunk loads of my booze. It was pretty funny. They are rad photos

da cryypiä (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 16:12 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/jan/21/police-form-696-garage-music

^^ guardian jumps on the anti-elf-and-safety/bungling-bureaucrats bandwagon.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought they'd already done a piece on this?

tbf bureaucrats often bungle. Or at least I'm one and I do.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i know, but it's good guardian manners to remain in denial about that. the overweaning state is a good thing, only disputed by mail readers, until it affects something really important, like grime music.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 12:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Racism.

Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link

wow, possibly the most narcissistic piece I've read in a long, long time:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/30/women-gayrights

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Why did you read that? I didn't even bother looking past the caption.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 January 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Fair point!

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link

how could you not be enticed by the caption?! treats are in store...

the RFs wrote that, "all feminists can and should be lesbians. Our definition of a political lesbian is a woman-identified woman who does not fuck men. It does not mean compulsory sexual activity with women."

"manipulators of international finance" (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"We were trying to challenge the excuses used by some heterosexual feminists as to why they lived with Nigel or John," she says. "They said, 'Oh, but my man is OK,' as a way of refusing to look at the fact that some men really do hate women."

well, nigel i can vouch for, but john? he's a terrible man!

"manipulators of international finance" (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Because asserting that the person you are in a relationship with is OK inevitably leads to the denial of the existence of misogyny.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Stop pretending you think lesbianism is an exclusive members' club, and join the ranks. I promise that you will not regret it.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39288

Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 January 2009 10:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I know it's not funny, but this strikes me as more serious: in their story on the IMF's doom report on Tuesday, they actually said, twice in the same piece, once as the photo caption, that the IMF estimate was that the economy shrank by 0.7% in 2008. The IMF estimate, as clearly shown in the report that the story was just parroting, is for 0.7% growth.

I find it pretty unbelievable that they can't seem to read a minus sign, but also that an economics correspondent wouldn't know that everyone is estimating small positive annual growth for 2008.

It's just nuts. How did they get the job?

Why would you trust anything they say about anything if they can't get stuff like that right?

Jamie T Smith, Friday, 30 January 2009 10:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I have "boned" two political lesbians. Anything can happen.

Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 30 January 2009 11:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Poor Nigel and John. Gone the way of the music magazine and smoking in pubs.

Local Garda, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link

I promise that you will not regret it.

This kind of amounts to a personal guarantee.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link

The last line should have been "No fat chicks, though."

Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 January 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't see what's so egregiously narcissistic about that political lesbianism piece. She talks generally about the phenomenon for most of the article, and then refers to her own case near the end. What's so terrible about that?

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.hope-academic.org.uk/HIR&D/Images/nigel_john.jpg

As useless as VHS, the dodo and the UK's manufacturing base.

Matt DC, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost It struck me as "Political lesbianism: my story", along with those of some of her friends in what must be a very small circle.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 30 January 2009 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, but if that's the most narcissistic piece you've read in a long, long time then you can't read the papers very often! Come on, how often do you read about political lesbianism in the mainstream press. I thought it was interesting enough.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's interesting too but a piece written by someone who was capable of taking a step back from it would, assuming it amounted to slightly more than 'lol check these crazy dykes out', be a lot less obnoxious

Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 30 January 2009 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, I dunno. How many mainstream newspapers in the UK would let a columnist talk about and advocate political lesbianism? I can't quite see what's obnoxious about it. But whatever.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link

It certainly covers some interesting ground, but I could do without the "my story" stuff. This goes for so much that passes for journalism though.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 30 January 2009 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link

T/S: First person stories on political lesbianism vs getting really fucking important bits of news completely wrong.

Jamie T Smith, Friday, 30 January 2009 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Zing culture is a choice that we can make, and not a "condition" we are born with

Peter Andre Test Tube Babies (DJ Mencap), Friday, 30 January 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Weekend is suddenly worse than it used to be with new redesign and Lucy Mangan going from forgettable columnist to irritating lol-advice girl.

gwuuuhhhhh

salsa shark, Saturday, 7 February 2009 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

observer>>>guardian on a saturday

p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 7 February 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I picked up a copy of G2 for the first time in yonks the other week -- the very day the aforementioned political-lesbianism piece was in it -- because it had a piece by an old acquaintance of mine (this one) and it was marginally quicker to grab a colleague's paper copy than it was to look for it online.

Fuck me. G2: worse than it used to be? Jesus wept. I was astonished. There's still some excellent writing in there but what the FUCK is all that fluff at the beginning? It's woeful. And the bloody Williams woman wittering on about her baby ... good god.

I subscribe to the front-page RSS feed so I guess I'm spared a lot of that drivel when I "read the Guardian" every day ... I suppose what I'm reading is an approximation of the paper as viewed through the eyes of the duty website editor, but seeing as I'm assuming the duty website editor will be an experienced hack who knows a damn sight more than I do about what constitues The Guardian (and appears to be excluding exactly the right stuff), I'm more than happy with that.

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 7 February 2009 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Are these ffs on purpose?

Leon Brambles (G00blar), Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Not with you, G00blar: what are you meaning?

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

lolgatures

caek, Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link

And a ffi

caek, Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link

This is what happens when the writer submits, e.g. a typeset PDF rather than plain text — and then the sub doesn't proofread to zap Unicode gremlins, natch.

caek, Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link


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