the historical implications of lil wayne's current popularity

my reading of the situation is that kanye pretty much forced his way into a recording contract w/ the roc & that before then they would continually clown his rapping

yeah i am pretty sure if anyone is responsible for carter its the fake father of beyonces child

carter/kanye

i forgot about rihanna

and there's ross and jeezy, too i guess.

but still

but still?

& anyway from a business standpoint, i'd consider kanye's superstardom an incredible stroke of luck for jay-z

drake & nicki are currently more popular than ross or jeezy have ever been

dude, he was on like four jay-z albums before College Dropout.

you're fucking backpedaling to cover up your dumb statement

Kanye, Ross, Rihanna, Jeezy, Ne-Yo vs like Drake, Nicki and the GUDDA GUDDA grocery bag who gives a shit all-stars

gudda gudda is still better than lady sovereign

i mean i know we have to give Lil Chuckee time to grow

my point with kanye is that jay obviously was an early adopter of his as a producer, but it's a stroke of luck for him that he turned out to be a mega pop star and not just some guy like bink

Yeah sorry Jay got in on the ground floor instead of adopting Lil Wayne's genius CEO tactic of waiting for a soap opera star to have a million MySpace followers before finding his phone number. What a stroke of luck.

lol

haha

i do think that j0rdan has a point tho abt wayne's continued popularity benefiting from drake/nicki.

wayne is 29, carter IV is his ninth album

jay's ninth album was kingdom come, he was 37 when that dropped

i think ur giving too much credit to wayne for minaj & drake. he jumped on when they were already ascendant

i said that, but funnier

Also, on the recent Wayne tour it was evident that Nicki and Drake were still def opening for HIM.

for drake he sort of did. i'm pretty sure that minaj was pretty much an unknown when she appeared on drought 3

for scandinavian goth-metal band HIM

nicki & drake opened for HIM?

fuck!

there was buzz around Drake & Minaj before Wayne was on board

http://www.seeklogo.com/images/H/Heart-o-Gram-logo-C99B5A177B-seeklogo.com.gif did it on em

Also, on the recent Wayne tour it was evident that Nicki and Drake were still def opening for HIM.

― delmar dillinger (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, September 2, 2011 5:00 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

anyway i wouldn't dispute this at all. but wayne was able to stave off what could've been a dead period for him by collaborating and even associating w/ the two of them

i agree w/ that post, just disagree that this shows any kind of special talent hunter insight on his part

i mean its also like, how much of their stardom is reflecting his

anyway i'm not trying to say that wayne saw minaj or drake freestyling on some street corner and then led them to superstardom, but he was a very early adopter of minaj, and while he did get w/ drake after he had been in the "industry" drake did spur offers w/ every other label to sign w/ YM out of loyalty to wayne (or at least that's what he said)

i don't think drake has ever been on some street corner

maybe on a set

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/62196/1323766-800px_de_grassi_street_sign_super.jpg

i think ur giving too much credit to wayne for minaj & drake. he jumped on when they were already ascendant

― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 4:58 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark

ehhh this is pretty sketchy. nicki had a decent nyc buzz (which is to say the kind of buzz that tends to go nowhere commercially these days) before wayne picked her up and drake was not famous as a rapper at all before young money, maybe could've had a diggy simmons-type trajectory without wayne but i don't think either of them would be anywhere near where they are without wayne.

yah i think thats true, i guess im just hesitant to credit wayne w/ talent-scouting so much

"when it waynes it pours"

i remember circa Carter III/Drought III when he started half-heartedly pushing Young Money artists just thinking "none of these jokers are going anywhere, Wayne doesn't even seem very confident that any of them will release albums through his label"

I feel like whiney has mentioned tech 9 in like every thread this month

the album has some moments

tech n9ne's career has been pretty amazing

plus, whiney is a juggalo evangelist now

a testament to tech n9ne's work ethic is i can remember multiple times, sitting around a table at my college newspaper going, "didn't we do a preview for a tech n9ne show... last semester?"

Not hating btw

Though honestly you know who you guys hate on but was doing the same thing as tech n9ne since forever (touring and work ethic wise)?atmosphere & rhyme sayers

eh id say i hate on both of them equally -- ive owned the same no of tech n9ne and atmosphere cds lol

(2)

one of the tech n9nes was gifted though

this is a really obvious point, maybe someone already made it above, but at this point record sales are only an measure of popularity among people who still pay for music, not really a great measure of general popularity.

A lot you downloaders are heaven sent
But general popularity don't pay the fuckin rent

i'd barely even heard of tech nninene before he was doing crazy numbers for an independent, what little i've heard is i guess real aggro speed rap shit? i can respect that

Also I don't really buy that. I bet the most stolen/downloaded music is the same stuff that's at the top of itunes and the billboard charts. So far the spotify top charts are all popular pop tunes

nah im with n/a on this, i think theres a relationship between whats popular & what sells but hardly an a+b=c situation