You should take it out of the box, replace it with a piece of wood painted to look like a MBP, and claim total ignorance
― mh, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
what the dickens is an MBP
― thomp, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
macbook pro
― mh, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
i was about to go 'what why would you even MBP takes longer to say' but then i remembered we were all robots on the internet
― thomp, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Are you using some sort of voice-to-text feature to talk to us? Are you on iOS 5?!?
― mh, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol
"why are you using an acronym that's been used by ppl on this thread for 5 years, it just doesn't make sense"
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
"that is more difficult to say aloud, why do you keep typing it"
― mh, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
stet it doesn't matter what the fetch mail time is, the behavior is the same (For the record, it's every 15 minutes):
New messages for my inbox produce a red badge on the Mail icon. New messages for any other IMAP mailbox do not.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, I've searched high and low about this, found ONE thread about it on the Apple discussion site, and the last, lonesome post on that was from 2008. Given that IMAP is kind of the main thing now, you'd think more people would give a shit about lots of their email not producing any notifications!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I'm guessing it's deliberate - that a new mail badge for any IMAP mailbox would send you on a wild goose chase through all those different folders, meaning you'd need to drill down into each account, heirarchically, and go through the mailboxes for each one, searching (just as you do now).
The solution would seem obvious - bring all IMAP mailboxes up to the top level, just under "All Mail".
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Still, I'd rather know a mail has arrived and then go look for it than wonder whether it's arrived and look for it without knowing if it's even there.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait, I thought you meant it wasn't badging for messages in INBOX. I'm pretty sure that's all it does badge for; messages coming into sub-boxes don't get badged. That's a fairly recent option for desktop Mail too, isn't it?
― stet, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really know about desktop mail, for some reason I don't care about it as much there. But yes, that's exactly what I'm saying - it only badges for mails that come to my inbox. Given that some of my IMAP mailboxes are set up specifically because I REALLY CARE about those emails it seems perverse to pretend they haven't come in.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
UPDATE: the new MBP is still in its box
MONEY WELL SPENT
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:10 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
uh oh. Was going to do this for 'er indoors, may reconsider.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
tracer you're not using your computer right. you need to be filtering out the bullshit and keeping important stuff in the inbox, not vice versa
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
Or use gmail where it can be in two places at once
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Tracer, don't know if you're on Lion yet but this feature in Lion Mail is something I've been liking a lot: http://mattgemmell.com/2011/09/07/favorite-mailboxes-in-lion-mail/
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 8 September 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
or you could do smart mailboxes instead of actual folders
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Won't help with Tracer's question though (getting the unread count badge to display unread from all folders, not just inbox)
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
baja - I already filter out the shit - it gets tagged by spam assassin and sent to the junk folder. everything else I care about, at least in theory. there are a few mailing lists that I probably don't need to be constantly apprised of. so why not just have the option? "alert me for new mail in this mailbox - yes". the only alternative is to have literally everything you care about unfiled in one massive inbox, which is like.... pre-Eudora level thinking
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
not on Lion, my MacBook isn't supported
that looks good though - brings mail up to a par with Eudora ca. 1994
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
i really don't understand this problem? you have multiple email addresses and they don't all show up as unread? or what?
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the font tip gbx, didn't really work for me. i love monaco 10pt. i don't know why i'm trying to fight the feeling.
― caek, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:26 (twelve years ago) link
this reminds me of tracer's problem with text messages
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
send the mailing lists you dont need to be appraised of to their own folder the same way you do with junk
how is that not the obvious solution?
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
it's not pre-Eudora tracer it's post gmail
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
if you want mailing list stuff to go somewhere just filter for the word "unsubscribe"?
also I dunno I try to keep an empty inbox in general; I either respond/do something, file the email for reference, or delete. also all my myriad email addresses drain into one primary address via autoforwarding, so everything that comes in just goes to one place anyway
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 8 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
max i like having all mail from a mailing list in its own mailbox. i doubt i'm alone in this!
some mailing lists i belong to (well, two) will go days with no messages, and then all of a sudden there will be a flurry of mails that i need to see and respond to. i'd like to know that they've arrived, and i'd like them to be in their own mailboxes. these two criteria seem not to be possible at the same time on iPhone.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
what is a "mailbox"
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm
why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes", then they don't actually have to be in two places at once
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
i can understand the rationale for keeping files in different folders, although that is starting to look more and more like a waste of time as searching / tagging / etc gets more and more powerful
for email i really don't see the point. they're not actual slips of paper, so why treat them that way?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ my opinion as well
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
vahid is right
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
yep. tags rightfully killed the physical metaphor.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think the other issue is that IMAP was over-architected so that INBOX was any other folder, and any folder could be treated like a mail-receiving mailbox. Some clients treated it that way -- Entourage, for one -- but most people and clients treated INBOX specially and the rest as folders, and it kinda fell off. Not really surprised it was low-priority for mobile Mail.
For GMail etc Vahid otm. I wish GMail would expose a proper API so that I wouldn't have to deal with clients thinking that one message is six just because it has five labels applied.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
YES that is hands-down the most frustrating thing about gmail in mail.app
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Have you guys tried Sparrow? There's apparently an iPhone version coming, too.
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Hate helvetica, and Sparrow's compose window honks, sadly
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes"
OK tom friedman i'll give it a shot
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
Safari 5.1 is really frustrating me! Every time I revisit an open tab, it automatically refreshes the page. It causes me to lose writing and is pointless. Has anyone else had this problem or know how to turn it off?
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen anything like that at all! That behavior really sounds like what happens in mobile Safari on the iPad when it's reclaiming memory because it's run out. To my knowledge, Safari on OS X doesn't have this behavior, but it's possible it does. Are you running low on available memory?
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
that actually happened to me, for the first time i can ever recall, about two days ago. it's because i had basically no disk space left. as soon as i deleted stuff everything was fine.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
New safari does copy the iOS behaviour. It's fucking savagely disgusting, imo. I want iOS safari to stop doing it, not Mac Safari to start. We're back in the land of no-good-Mac-browser again at present.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
hmm so maybe it wasn't the disk space
gonna be hard for me to give up mailboxes
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Chrome is pretty good!
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I can't really imagine using safari, it's a bunch of junk. chrome is awesome now.
― science you guys (Clay), Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link