People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkWhq7Z-Y4

for someone who harps about how people should acknowledge the privilege that enables their place and status in life, you seem pretty blind to the fact that living in a suburb or rural area w/ a car is a pretty big fucking privilege

umm...if you say so, I guess? I don't in any way deny that it's a pretty intensely privileged condition - there's a difference between accepting an argument & feeling an irresistible compulsion to be a sanctimonious dick about it

I guess it's okay to prefer the city over the suburbs if you've lived in both, but so many great experiences happen even in the most anodyne environments. Isn't this what most of us who listen to and write about music love about our favorite songs? If you let the burden of expectations crush you or submit to the imagined squalor of your environs, then the problem is you, not geography.

― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 3:49 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

awesome post

I mean if I'm the guy noticing the sanctimony that oughta be a pretty big red flag given my notoriously high tolerance for sanctimony

lol aero as if you are never a sanctimonious dick to others w/r/t their privilege

you may be missing the point here dude

I think that was his point

xpost

would not really characterize iatee as sanctimonious in tone, and i know from sanctimonious

what a beautiful word

lol aero as if you are never a sanctimonious dick to others w/r/t their privilege

dayo you might study the xpost function dude

display name that keeps on giving

lol sorry - it's been a long day, my reading comprehension is shot

it's cool even though I get mad I am kinda (predictably liberal dude here) into getting called out for my privilege, feel it's healthy, so while I hate it when ppl are mad at me I appreciate u goin in

I have trouble keeping iatee's actual characteristics straight because he's so good at jumping into debates and picking a viewpoint that he may in no way resemble

I'd like to invite all of you to my condo in the burbs, where I'm about to open a bottle of wine. Enjoy my privilege!

it's funny that members of ilx's 'hard left' seem to think this isn't a pretty basic left/right issue both w/r/t the environment and the fact that the costs of owning a car / lack of alternatives are an enormous burden on the american poor. when gas prices go up again, people are gonna be skipping meals so they can get to their job. does that make you happy? well it doesn't make me happy either. really.

hey, it's not your subject, you like your house, whatever, that's not the issue. I don't think it's crazy that someone would prefer a big house and lawn over a small apt in a busy city, I think it's crazy that we live in a world where a small apt in a busy city costs more than a big house and a lawn.

it's not really ~that difficult~ to accept that the status quo is unsustainable and, at the very least not something we should be actively encouraging w/ government policy.

well, sure, but some of us have learned to enjoy the bomb.

And, on a serious note, picking our battles.

let's not hate on each other for the battles we picked

ilx is not about "picking our battles"

i took you for a member of ilx's 'hard left', iatee.

hugging everyone through the tears

I think it's crazy that we live in a world where a small apt in a busy city costs more than a big house and a lawn.

uh you realize that this is not at all true in most cities right

i took you for a member of ilx's 'hard left', iatee.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:18 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

i think this is about the politics thread, where morbs, aero and Alfred (kind of?) are the hard left

there are like three real cities in america

like let me tell you what when you figure in mortgage/maintanance/insurance/property taxes i would have a lot more money living back in my old apartment

I think it's crazy that we live in a world where a small apt in a busy city costs more than a big house and a lawn.

idg your point here. doesn't the small apt in the big city cost so much because so many people with means have decided that they want to live there and that they value walkability, etc?

I mean, I guess I see what you're saying: that the overall social and environmental cost of the tract home mcmansion developments should be factored into their price to balance out their negative effects? But realistically I'm not sure how that could happen.

And, on a serious note, picking our battles.

― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this seems so fundamentally contradictory to your attitude in the politics thread o_O

hipsters did unaffordable nyc rents

dayo dude trolling is like drinking a fine wine you dont just dump the whole bottle out into your glass like that

re: picking our battles - i enjoy these debates because they arise from actual ideological rifts in this community that can seem pretty monolithic in thought sometimes. stuff like land use, gun rights, the death penalty, etc - it's not really possible to have an honest disagreement on most other issues of the day since most of us approach them from about the same place

this seems so fundamentally contradictory to your attitude in the politics thread o_O

Do I contradict myself? Very well. I contradict myself.

this seems so fundamentally contradictory to your attitude in the politics thread o_O

Do I contradict myself? Very well. I contradict myself.

this seems so fundamentally contradictory to your attitude in the politics thread o_O

Do I contradict myself? Very well. I contradict myself.

Also, serious question for people who know about planning, environmental stuff, etc. Which is worse, living in a suburb a half hour outside of NY or LA, or living in a denser neighborhood in an inland city? About half of the shipping containers that come through the Port of Los Angeles end up east of the Rockies. It seems that in some ways, living in the suburban sprawl of southern California is more responsible than living in many of the other "big" cities in the U.S.

whoa -- do I repeat myself? Very well. I repeat myself.

I guess it's okay to prefer the city over the suburbs if you've lived in both, but so many great experiences happen even in the most anodyne environments. Isn't this what most of us who listen to and write about music love about our favorite songs? If you let the burden of expectations crush you or submit to the imagined squalor of your environs, then the problem is you, not geography.

― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 3:49 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

awesome post

― runaway (Matt P), Thursday, 8 September 2011 00:06 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

co-sign, w/belated caveat asserting my right to continue hating on places i live/have lived for depriving me of the thrills i was looking for. it is a different thread, i think; taking sides between a city of manufactured opportunities and absorbing distractions and social communion, versus, the sheer impetus and repurposable fury you get from hating where you live & being denied the amenities that would pass an evening sweetly. i am thinking of moving atm, & when you are actually trying to quantify + sort through the various repercussions & benefits of having access to certain things it makes your head spin.

what city did you live in (or still live in an adjoining suburb) jjjusten? what was its population density?

what cityies

I just wanna know about the one where he had his apartment

it's funny that members of ilx's 'hard left' seem to think this isn't a pretty basic left/right issue both w/r/t the environment and the fact that the costs of owning a car / lack of alternatives are an enormous burden on the american poor.

iatee otm

I don't actually disagree w/you iatee (though as I think I've said, if I had to live with lots of noise & around a lot of people I would probably commit suicide which for me would suck but how I feel isn't really a factor in things in the long view) it's just that y'all for whom this is a Big Working Issue sound like Hugo from The Iceman Cometh pretty much every time the subject comes up

yeah but that happens to all of us whenever our axes get sent up in the daily rotation

About half of the shipping containers that come through the Port of Los Angeles end up east of the Rockies.

This is more about the fact that they come from Asia, than it is about where they're headed. It's still more efficient to import containers to West Coast ports and take them to the middle of the country or even the East Coast by rail, than it is for Asian goods to reach an East Coast port.

yeah but that happens to all of us whenever our axes get sent up in the daily rotation

no wai I always sound reasonable & even-keeled

lol

it's funny that members of ilx's 'hard left' seem to think this isn't a pretty basic left/right issue both w/r/t the environment and the fact that the costs of owning a car / lack of alternatives are an enormous burden on the american poor.

are members of said 'hard left' against more sensibly-planned, enviro-friendly, sustainable communities??

so what are we arguing now -- are suburbs ok then?

no

*burns Alfred's condo down*

probably not gd but those sensibly planned, enviro friendly sustainable communities are the exception and not the norm in america, regardless of how much greenhouse gas your sister or cousin or whoever is saving