tracer you're not using your computer right. you need to be filtering out the bullshit and keeping important stuff in the inbox, not vice versa
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
Or use gmail where it can be in two places at once
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Tracer, don't know if you're on Lion yet but this feature in Lion Mail is something I've been liking a lot: http://mattgemmell.com/2011/09/07/favorite-mailboxes-in-lion-mail/
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 8 September 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
or you could do smart mailboxes instead of actual folders
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Won't help with Tracer's question though (getting the unread count badge to display unread from all folders, not just inbox)
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
baja - I already filter out the shit - it gets tagged by spam assassin and sent to the junk folder. everything else I care about, at least in theory. there are a few mailing lists that I probably don't need to be constantly apprised of. so why not just have the option? "alert me for new mail in this mailbox - yes". the only alternative is to have literally everything you care about unfiled in one massive inbox, which is like.... pre-Eudora level thinking
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
not on Lion, my MacBook isn't supported
that looks good though - brings mail up to a par with Eudora ca. 1994
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
i really don't understand this problem? you have multiple email addresses and they don't all show up as unread? or what?
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the font tip gbx, didn't really work for me. i love monaco 10pt. i don't know why i'm trying to fight the feeling.
― caek, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:26 (twelve years ago) link
this reminds me of tracer's problem with text messages
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
send the mailing lists you dont need to be appraised of to their own folder the same way you do with junk
how is that not the obvious solution?
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
it's not pre-Eudora tracer it's post gmail
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
if you want mailing list stuff to go somewhere just filter for the word "unsubscribe"?
also I dunno I try to keep an empty inbox in general; I either respond/do something, file the email for reference, or delete. also all my myriad email addresses drain into one primary address via autoforwarding, so everything that comes in just goes to one place anyway
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 8 September 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
max i like having all mail from a mailing list in its own mailbox. i doubt i'm alone in this!
some mailing lists i belong to (well, two) will go days with no messages, and then all of a sudden there will be a flurry of mails that i need to see and respond to. i'd like to know that they've arrived, and i'd like them to be in their own mailboxes. these two criteria seem not to be possible at the same time on iPhone.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
what is a "mailbox"
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm
why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes", then they don't actually have to be in two places at once
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
i can understand the rationale for keeping files in different folders, although that is starting to look more and more like a waste of time as searching / tagging / etc gets more and more powerful
for email i really don't see the point. they're not actual slips of paper, so why treat them that way?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ my opinion as well
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
vahid is right
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
yep. tags rightfully killed the physical metaphor.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think the other issue is that IMAP was over-architected so that INBOX was any other folder, and any folder could be treated like a mail-receiving mailbox. Some clients treated it that way -- Entourage, for one -- but most people and clients treated INBOX specially and the rest as folders, and it kinda fell off. Not really surprised it was low-priority for mobile Mail.
For GMail etc Vahid otm. I wish GMail would expose a proper API so that I wouldn't have to deal with clients thinking that one message is six just because it has five labels applied.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
YES that is hands-down the most frustrating thing about gmail in mail.app
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Have you guys tried Sparrow? There's apparently an iPhone version coming, too.
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Hate helvetica, and Sparrow's compose window honks, sadly
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes"
OK tom friedman i'll give it a shot
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
Safari 5.1 is really frustrating me! Every time I revisit an open tab, it automatically refreshes the page. It causes me to lose writing and is pointless. Has anyone else had this problem or know how to turn it off?
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen anything like that at all! That behavior really sounds like what happens in mobile Safari on the iPad when it's reclaiming memory because it's run out. To my knowledge, Safari on OS X doesn't have this behavior, but it's possible it does. Are you running low on available memory?
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
that actually happened to me, for the first time i can ever recall, about two days ago. it's because i had basically no disk space left. as soon as i deleted stuff everything was fine.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
New safari does copy the iOS behaviour. It's fucking savagely disgusting, imo. I want iOS safari to stop doing it, not Mac Safari to start. We're back in the land of no-good-Mac-browser again at present.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
hmm so maybe it wasn't the disk space
gonna be hard for me to give up mailboxes
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 September 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Chrome is pretty good!
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I can't really imagine using safari, it's a bunch of junk. chrome is awesome now.
― science you guys (Clay), Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
basically, of the browsers I regularly use, Chrome > Firefox > IE > Safari
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Safari is pretty good, just not by 2011 standards (lol)
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
i wish there was a better email client out there
sparrow is sweet but doesn't have "smart mailboxes"
mail is cliunky and nasty but "smart mailboxes" can be amazing if you use them right
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
the way i explained it to someone else was that chrome feels like being on the internet, everything else is like looking at the internet through a tiny porthole
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
I just got a ssd in my work computer.
Now, it feels like I'm using a computer at work, and everything else seems like some sort of floppy-using retro junk
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
im a dedicated apple app user between mail and ichat and itunes and what have you, but i switched to chrome 6 months ago and havent looked back. the reloading-a-tab-when-you-return thing is insanely frustrating in iOS especially when you want to look at a page you already have open when youre in the subway or something
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Basically it's behavior that it does instead of just closing the tab for you. Which sucks, but it really stresses to me what limited memory my first gen iPad has.
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
huh, guess I should give Chrome a try; I haven't noticed Safari in OS X getting in the way, but maybe I just don't see what a browser could do (I find Firefox clunky looking---dig the font rendering in Safari).
on iOS I agree that stupid reloading of webpage bites
― Euler, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
chrome extensions are pretty bad ass
― max, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
I went off Chrome when it stopped playing Quicktime files natively without butthurting about insecure plugins. And the full-screen mode's rubbish.
Tracer: There are no smart mailboxes on the phone, though. What about making a separate gmail account for mailing lists? Gmail's threading makes it brilliant for lists.
Totally unnecessary, though. iCab, for instance, doesn't do it -- it caches pages on disk. This is all basically a legacy of a really bad decision early on in the webkit days that it wouldn't cache rendered pages as browsers had until then, but would cache resources. This is also responsible for that "to go back you need to resubmit a form" nonsense, which is a) stupid and b) actually against the http standard.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
Have gone back to Chrome for a look. I had to kill -9 it from Terminal before it would lancuh and the highlight on the tabs seems to be fucked, so it's not starting well.
― stet, Thursday, 8 September 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
i deleted all of my buddies in ichat because i wanted to reorganize it and somehow nuked my entire address book on my computer, phone and ipad.
is that usual?
also it seems like if you're syncing all of that stuff with mobileme you can't use time machine to go back to an older version of your address book?
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
I was keeping a ridiculous number of contact backups for a while after playing around with letting Google Contact handle things, having misconfigurations stomp over things, or having facebook on mobile applying the wrong pictures/links to contacts after I tried that feature.
― mh, Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
so this is weird: ~/Library/Services has been deleted? and not by me? and now LaunchBar chokes on stuff? wtf
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 8 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link