I HATE APPLE

i really don't understand this problem? you have multiple email addresses and they don't all show up as unread? or what?

thanks for the font tip gbx, didn't really work for me. i love monaco 10pt. i don't know why i'm trying to fight the feeling.

this reminds me of tracer's problem with text messages

send the mailing lists you dont need to be appraised of to their own folder the same way you do with junk

how is that not the obvious solution?

it's not pre-Eudora tracer it's post gmail

if you want mailing list stuff to go somewhere just filter for the word "unsubscribe"?

also I dunno I try to keep an empty inbox in general; I either respond/do something, file the email for reference, or delete. also all my myriad email addresses drain into one primary address via autoforwarding, so everything that comes in just goes to one place anyway

max i like having all mail from a mailing list in its own mailbox. i doubt i'm alone in this!

some mailing lists i belong to (well, two) will go days with no messages, and then all of a sudden there will be a flurry of mails that i need to see and respond to. i'd like to know that they've arrived, and i'd like them to be in their own mailboxes. these two criteria seem not to be possible at the same time on iPhone.

what is a "mailbox"

what is a "mailbox"

what is a "mailbox"

hmmm

why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes", then they don't actually have to be in two places at once

i can understand the rationale for keeping files in different folders, although that is starting to look more and more like a waste of time as searching / tagging / etc gets more and more powerful

for email i really don't see the point. they're not actual slips of paper, so why treat them that way?

^^^ my opinion as well

vahid is right

yep. tags rightfully killed the physical metaphor.

I think the other issue is that IMAP was over-architected so that INBOX was any other folder, and any folder could be treated like a mail-receiving mailbox. Some clients treated it that way -- Entourage, for one -- but most people and clients treated INBOX specially and the rest as folders, and it kinda fell off. Not really surprised it was low-priority for mobile Mail.

For GMail etc Vahid otm. I wish GMail would expose a proper API so that I wouldn't have to deal with clients thinking that one message is six just because it has five labels applied.

YES that is hands-down the most frustrating thing about gmail in mail.app

Have you guys tried Sparrow? There's apparently an iPhone version coming, too.

Hate helvetica, and Sparrow's compose window honks, sadly

why not put them in their own "smart mailboxes"

OK tom friedman i'll give it a shot

Safari 5.1 is really frustrating me! Every time I revisit an open tab, it automatically refreshes the page. It causes me to lose writing and is pointless. Has anyone else had this problem or know how to turn it off?

I've never seen anything like that at all! That behavior really sounds like what happens in mobile Safari on the iPad when it's reclaiming memory because it's run out. To my knowledge, Safari on OS X doesn't have this behavior, but it's possible it does. Are you running low on available memory?

that actually happened to me, for the first time i can ever recall, about two days ago. it's because i had basically no disk space left. as soon as i deleted stuff everything was fine.

New safari does copy the iOS behaviour. It's fucking savagely disgusting, imo. I want iOS safari to stop doing it, not Mac Safari to start. We're back in the land of no-good-Mac-browser again at present.

hmm so maybe it wasn't the disk space

gonna be hard for me to give up mailboxes

Chrome is pretty good!

yeah I can't really imagine using safari, it's a bunch of junk. chrome is awesome now.

basically, of the browsers I regularly use, Chrome > Firefox > IE > Safari

Safari is pretty good, just not by 2011 standards (lol)

i wish there was a better email client out there

sparrow is sweet but doesn't have "smart mailboxes"

mail is cliunky and nasty but "smart mailboxes" can be amazing if you use them right

the way i explained it to someone else was that chrome feels like being on the internet, everything else is like looking at the internet through a tiny porthole

I just got a ssd in my work computer.

Now, it feels like I'm using a computer at work, and everything else seems like some sort of floppy-using retro junk

im a dedicated apple app user between mail and ichat and itunes and what have you, but i switched to chrome 6 months ago and havent looked back. the reloading-a-tab-when-you-return thing is insanely frustrating in iOS especially when you want to look at a page you already have open when youre in the subway or something

Basically it's behavior that it does instead of just closing the tab for you. Which sucks, but it really stresses to me what limited memory my first gen iPad has.

huh, guess I should give Chrome a try; I haven't noticed Safari in OS X getting in the way, but maybe I just don't see what a browser could do (I find Firefox clunky looking---dig the font rendering in Safari).

on iOS I agree that stupid reloading of webpage bites

chrome extensions are pretty bad ass

I went off Chrome when it stopped playing Quicktime files natively without butthurting about insecure plugins. And the full-screen mode's rubbish.

Tracer: There are no smart mailboxes on the phone, though. What about making a separate gmail account for mailing lists? Gmail's threading makes it brilliant for lists.

Basically it's behavior that it does instead of just closing the tab for you. Which sucks, but it really stresses to me what limited memory my first gen iPad has.

Totally unnecessary, though. iCab, for instance, doesn't do it -- it caches pages on disk. This is all basically a legacy of a really bad decision early on in the webkit days that it wouldn't cache rendered pages as browsers had until then, but would cache resources. This is also responsible for that "to go back you need to resubmit a form" nonsense, which is a) stupid and b) actually against the http standard.

Have gone back to Chrome for a look. I had to kill -9 it from Terminal before it would lancuh and the highlight on the tabs seems to be fucked, so it's not starting well.

i deleted all of my buddies in ichat because i wanted to reorganize it and somehow nuked my entire address book on my computer, phone and ipad.

is that usual?

also it seems like if you're syncing all of that stuff with mobileme you can't use time machine to go back to an older version of your address book?

I was keeping a ridiculous number of contact backups for a while after playing around with letting Google Contact handle things, having misconfigurations stomp over things, or having facebook on mobile applying the wrong pictures/links to contacts after I tried that feature.

so this is weird: ~/Library/Services has been deleted? and not by me? and now LaunchBar chokes on stuff? wtf

chrome extensions are pretty bad ass

this.

it kinda sucks w/ fonts a little, but idk, deal with it.

safari was being a horrible memory hog for me on my 4-yr-old laptop too

chrome doesn't autofill the address bar for me so I sacked it

yeah thats a big weakness for me too, but everything else outweighs it

like search from the address bar!

you know IE does search from the address bar now, right

~downloads camino~

yes, thats whats going to get me back on IE, search from the address bar