hoos have you ever read this book:http://www.amazon.com/Cybernetics-Second-Control-Communication-Machine/dp/026273009X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315863212&sr=1-1
kind of dated in methodology, but really the forefather of that shit
― mh, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
i got an early beta invite today to join the singularity and a few email invites to give out. who wants to join the singularity w/ me??
― Mordy, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― runaway (Matt P), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
read that in the same voice as "i'm still so excited, you guys"
― mh, Monday, September 12, 2011 9:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i'm reading gleick's "the information" right now and he mentions this as a v important/historical thing, i'll have to check it out
i was bitching the other day that 'cybernetics' seems like such a dated term now
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
actor-network theory is better
― runaway (Matt P), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
i'm reading gleick's "the information"
thinking of reading that at some point
― markers, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
highly recommended, amazing shit.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
also pleasantly puzzled given that i'm only 35% of the way through the book and we're already in the 1950s in terms of chronology--helluva lot of book left to cover 60 years given the depth with which charlie babbage & morse & claude shannon & alan turing have already been treated.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know about norbert weiner, it's a little bit like recommending a marshall mcluhan book to someone who wants to know about how pay-per-view works
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Monday, 12 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
Very true. There's a good layman-targeted book from the same era (maybe his later one?) that is supposed to be good.
― mh, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
hoos should read mcluhan, though
actually, just watch Videodrome and eXistenZ a few times
― mh, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Theory-Communication-Claude-Shannon/dp/0252725484/ref=pd_sim_b_2
^ a bit of my way into this, p challenging but rewarding when understood
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
that is to say, i'm having a tough time with some of it but when i get it it's a good feeling
i have read mcluhan fwiw
http://www.amazon.com/Human-Use-Beings-Cybernetics-Paperback/dp/0306803208/ref=pd_sim_b_1
is this the weiner popularization you guys were talking abt
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
(avoids 'weiner popularization' jokes)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
Probably. I have the more math-oriented one at home but have only browsed it and waved it at people/
― mh, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
btw fwiw a pdf of shannon's orig monograph of "a mathematical theory of communcation" is here
again, having been out of math class for the better part of a decade, i don't pretend to keep up with the whole thing--gleick's book has been a pretty invaluable conceptual guide.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i once met one of claude shannon's grandchildren ... grandchild intimidated me w/ braininess, can't imagine what the man himself was like.
― mr peabody (moonship journey to baja), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
The fundamental problem of communication is that of reproducing at one point either exactly or ap-proximately a message selected at another point. Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they referto or are correlated according to some system with certain physical or conceptual entities. These semanticaspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem.
this makes me lol every time i reread it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
"frequently there is meaning. idgaf."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
“Even when you get several stages in, it’s still looking pretty real,” Saatchi creative director Alex Flint said about the campaign in 2008. “I think even the most cynical, anti-advertising guy will appreciate the depth and length to which we’ve gone.”
― Jews Did Irene (Hurting 2), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know why but the tildes in this thread title make it one of my favorite thread titles ever
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 12, 2011 11:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
YES!
Me too! The tildes make me hear ~THE INTERNET~ as the ~TO YOU~ from this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7hGMMIyfE
Every goddamn time
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
future of THE INTERNET
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
^^ gets it
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 September 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
"there's this bias in any net environment that everything should scale, it's very hard to be satisfied on one level of reality--some venture capitalist always wants to know 'how does this scale?' scale this, motherfucker"
<3 <3 <3
http://www.rushkoff.com/blog/2011/9/22/toward-a-peer-to-peer-economy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+douglasrushkoff+%28Douglas+Rushkoff%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
no thanks
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
yr welcome
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+douglasrushkoff+%28Douglas+Rushkoff%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://livestre.am/12B4I
there u baby
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
i meant no thanks to the rushkoff, the superfluous url stuff was just an afterthought ; )
― am0n, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
fair enuff
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 September 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
the past of ~the internet~
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111901425213768112631/albums/5654055509127305937
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
http://sites.google.com/site/gallantlabucb/publications/nishimoto-et-al-2011https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
cant wait for the stylish jawbone bluetooth fmri to wear while watching hours of youtubes, helping the collective consciousness learn how to reconstruct brain images
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Friday, 23 September 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
xpost to hoooos
it's kinda weird how amazon hasn't really changed all that much since 1995. compared to other 1995-era sites it looks like next-level shit.
― rebels against newton (Z S), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
for real, bezos been on that other level
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
. . .
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, Steve Jobs has been held up as some sort of design auteur but his skill was always having enough sense to know that aesthetics and experience were important AND hire people capable of enacting that ethos. Has there ever been an article pointing to Jeff Bezos as crafter of the user experience?
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
No, but I'm sure that at some point he had some final say over the design.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.blueorigin.com/
― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1381&doc_id=233226
― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_09/b4121034637296.htm
more recently, article after article talks about him fighting for one click to mean "one click"
you think amazon's ux that's remained relatively stable for more than a decade just emerged spontaneously from some lucky coding?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
amazon tablet announcement next week btw
― markers, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
thx 4 that article hoos, will read
I wouldn't want one click to mean one click. Who would besides a compulsive internet shopper? And I don't think that one click has all that much to do with the quality of amazon's user experience. I also don't think that there aren't significant design flaws on amazon, that it deserves any status besides "above average" or "got there first" or "hasn't obsolesced." I've had to look around and learn the layout of the pages on the site as much as I would on any other adequately designed site, and its layout of links, options, and tools for sellers takes even more learning.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
The "one click is one click" angle is definitely important and relevant. However, I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."
That's kind of a far cry from web experience! That speaks more to supply chain, which Amazon does remarkably well.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, 23 September 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link