future of ~the internet~

read that in the same voice as "i'm still so excited, you guys"

kind of dated in methodology, but really the forefather of that shit

― mh, Monday, September 12, 2011 9:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm reading gleick's "the information" right now and he mentions this as a v important/historical thing, i'll have to check it out

i was bitching the other day that 'cybernetics' seems like such a dated term now

actor-network theory is better

i'm reading gleick's "the information"

thinking of reading that at some point

highly recommended, amazing shit.

also pleasantly puzzled given that i'm only 35% of the way through the book and we're already in the 1950s in terms of chronology--helluva lot of book left to cover 60 years given the depth with which charlie babbage & morse & claude shannon & alan turing have already been treated.

i don't know about norbert weiner, it's a little bit like recommending a marshall mcluhan book to someone who wants to know about how pay-per-view works

Very true. There's a good layman-targeted book from the same era (maybe his later one?) that is supposed to be good.

hoos should read mcluhan, though

actually, just watch Videodrome and eXistenZ a few times

http://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Theory-Communication-Claude-Shannon/dp/0252725484/ref=pd_sim_b_2

^ a bit of my way into this, p challenging but rewarding when understood

that is to say, i'm having a tough time with some of it but when i get it it's a good feeling

i have read mcluhan fwiw

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Use-Beings-Cybernetics-Paperback/dp/0306803208/ref=pd_sim_b_1

is this the weiner popularization you guys were talking abt

(avoids 'weiner popularization' jokes)

Probably. I have the more math-oriented one at home but have only browsed it and waved it at people/

lol

btw fwiw a pdf of shannon's orig monograph of "a mathematical theory of communcation" is here

again, having been out of math class for the better part of a decade, i don't pretend to keep up with the whole thing--gleick's book has been a pretty invaluable conceptual guide.

i once met one of claude shannon's grandchildren ... grandchild intimidated me w/ braininess, can't imagine what the man himself was like.

The fundamental problem of communication is that of reproducing at one point either exactly or ap-
proximately a message selected at another point. Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer
to or are correlated according to some system with certain physical or conceptual entities. These semantic
aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem.

this makes me lol every time i reread it

"frequently there is meaning. idgaf."

“Even when you get several stages in, it’s still looking pretty real,” Saatchi creative director Alex Flint said about the campaign in 2008. “I think even the most cynical, anti-advertising guy will appreciate the depth and length to which we’ve gone.”

i don't know why but the tildes in this thread title make it one of my favorite thread titles ever

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 12, 2011 11:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

YES!

Me too! The tildes make me hear ~THE INTERNET~ as the ~TO YOU~ from this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7hGMMIyfE

Every goddamn time

future of THE INTERNET

^^ gets it

"there's this bias in any net environment that everything should scale, it's very hard to be satisfied on one level of reality--some venture capitalist always wants to know 'how does this scale?' scale this, motherfucker"

<3 <3 <3

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no thanks

yr welcome

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there u baby

i meant no thanks to the rushkoff, the superfluous url stuff was just an afterthought ; )

fair enuff

the past of ~the internet~

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111901425213768112631/albums/5654055509127305937

http://sites.google.com/site/gallantlabucb/publications/nishimoto-et-al-2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo

cant wait for the stylish jawbone bluetooth fmri to wear while watching hours of youtubes, helping the collective consciousness learn how to reconstruct brain images

xpost to hoooos

it's kinda weird how amazon hasn't really changed all that much since 1995. compared to other 1995-era sites it looks like next-level shit.

for real, bezos been on that other level

what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?

. . .

I mean, Steve Jobs has been held up as some sort of design auteur but his skill was always having enough sense to know that aesthetics and experience were important AND hire people capable of enacting that ethos. Has there ever been an article pointing to Jeff Bezos as crafter of the user experience?

No, but I'm sure that at some point he had some final say over the design.

http://www.blueorigin.com/

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1381&doc_id=233226

what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?

― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_09/b4121034637296.htm

more recently, article after article talks about him fighting for one click to mean "one click"

you think amazon's ux that's remained relatively stable for more than a decade just emerged spontaneously from some lucky coding?

amazon tablet announcement next week btw

thx 4 that article hoos, will read

I wouldn't want one click to mean one click. Who would besides a compulsive internet shopper? And I don't think that one click has all that much to do with the quality of amazon's user experience. I also don't think that there aren't significant design flaws on amazon, that it deserves any status besides "above average" or "got there first" or "hasn't obsolesced." I've had to look around and learn the layout of the pages on the site as much as I would on any other adequately designed site, and its layout of links, options, and tools for sellers takes even more learning.

The "one click is one click" angle is definitely important and relevant. However, I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."

That's kind of a far cry from web experience! That speaks more to supply chain, which Amazon does remarkably well.

I kind of agree on the "one click" thing being essential as well. At the time of its introduction, it was seen more as a patent trolling type of situation, and outside of specific products (mostly digital media), I don't find it particularly necessary. I tend to either shift things from a wish list to a buy list, or put together actual orders of multiple items.

fwiw, Bezos's name does appear on the one click patent:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5960411&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP#

amazon's great

amazon priiiiiiiiiiime