future of ~the internet~

i don't know why but the tildes in this thread title make it one of my favorite thread titles ever

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 12, 2011 11:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

YES!

Me too! The tildes make me hear ~THE INTERNET~ as the ~TO YOU~ from this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7hGMMIyfE

Every goddamn time

future of THE INTERNET

^^ gets it

"there's this bias in any net environment that everything should scale, it's very hard to be satisfied on one level of reality--some venture capitalist always wants to know 'how does this scale?' scale this, motherfucker"

<3 <3 <3

http://www.rushkoff.com/blog/2011/9/22/toward-a-peer-to-peer-economy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+douglasrushkoff+%28Douglas+Rushkoff%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

no thanks

yr welcome

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http://livestre.am/12B4I

there u baby

i meant no thanks to the rushkoff, the superfluous url stuff was just an afterthought ; )

fair enuff

the past of ~the internet~

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/111901425213768112631/albums/5654055509127305937

http://sites.google.com/site/gallantlabucb/publications/nishimoto-et-al-2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo

cant wait for the stylish jawbone bluetooth fmri to wear while watching hours of youtubes, helping the collective consciousness learn how to reconstruct brain images

xpost to hoooos

it's kinda weird how amazon hasn't really changed all that much since 1995. compared to other 1995-era sites it looks like next-level shit.

for real, bezos been on that other level

what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?

. . .

I mean, Steve Jobs has been held up as some sort of design auteur but his skill was always having enough sense to know that aesthetics and experience were important AND hire people capable of enacting that ethos. Has there ever been an article pointing to Jeff Bezos as crafter of the user experience?

No, but I'm sure that at some point he had some final say over the design.

http://www.blueorigin.com/

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1381&doc_id=233226

what the fuck does jeff bezos have to do with what the site looks like?

― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_09/b4121034637296.htm

more recently, article after article talks about him fighting for one click to mean "one click"

you think amazon's ux that's remained relatively stable for more than a decade just emerged spontaneously from some lucky coding?

amazon tablet announcement next week btw

thx 4 that article hoos, will read

I wouldn't want one click to mean one click. Who would besides a compulsive internet shopper? And I don't think that one click has all that much to do with the quality of amazon's user experience. I also don't think that there aren't significant design flaws on amazon, that it deserves any status besides "above average" or "got there first" or "hasn't obsolesced." I've had to look around and learn the layout of the pages on the site as much as I would on any other adequately designed site, and its layout of links, options, and tools for sellers takes even more learning.

The "one click is one click" angle is definitely important and relevant. However, I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."

That's kind of a far cry from web experience! That speaks more to supply chain, which Amazon does remarkably well.

I kind of agree on the "one click" thing being essential as well. At the time of its introduction, it was seen more as a patent trolling type of situation, and outside of specific products (mostly digital media), I don't find it particularly necessary. I tend to either shift things from a wish list to a buy list, or put together actual orders of multiple items.

fwiw, Bezos's name does appear on the one click patent:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5960411&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP#

amazon's great

amazon priiiiiiiiiiime

To be fair, the supply chain is kind of part of the web experience. It has to be integrated into the overall design, and customers aren't necessarily going to separate the two in their impression of a website.

the "if it works, it works" argument

I also remember people complaining about Amazon's poor customer service for years! They were notorious for not having a published phone number anywhere on the site. They now have it as an option after bouncing through a troubleshooting dialog about order problems.

never have problems w/ amazon -- prime!!!

they're also shitty to their temp workers

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-allentown-amazon-complaints-20110917,0,7937001,full.story

shit just shows up! fast!

I think my point is that while the big picture is a relevant part of user experience (yeah, UX) that the particular web design part of it isn't one that I've seen with a direct link to Bezos.

That doesn't necessarily mean that there are designers that have been there for the last fifteen years who should have the credit, or that Bezos has no input in the hiring, but part of having a well-run business is the ability to hire talented people. Generally, giving people credit starts at the top but should really flow down, while blame too often is laid on the lower tiers when it should make its way up. No executive does an excellent job without relying on talented people, and no grunt worker really fails without levels of management having failed in some way.

markers I also have amazon prime but it's not the solution to everything :)

I'm speaking more to the parts of user experience that deal with interface design and actual web interactions and the closest the article you sent gets to that is: "Customer experience includes having the lowest price, having the fastest delivery, having it reliable enough so that you don't need to contact anyone. Then you save customer service for those truly unusual situations."

That's kind of a far cry from web experience! That speaks more to supply chain, which Amazon does remarkably well.

― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Friday, September 23, 2011 8:36 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'll own up here that when i said 'bezos on that other level' i was sorta pulling it out of my ass as shorthand for 'amazon knows what its doing wrt ux'

hahaha

I want the name and title of all of your managers, hoos, so I can give them credit when you do something insightful

and that the consistency of ux bespeaks a consistency of vision that suggests a braintrust, and that i'd be surprised if bezos himself wasn't part of that in some way

I like how markers makes fun of things while at the same time being extremely sincere about them. It's like he's merged the sarcastic meaning with the literal meaning.

i do live prime tbh

i love physical books and being able to get them in two days is really nice -- esp. w/ amazon's selection & prices

love, not live

coming soon amazon liveprime

order your life in realtime

damnnnnnnn *orders life*

free 2-day shipping!

well, for only $79.99 a year

has a hoos ever worked with IA, UX, or web teams?

yah i've done junior IA stuff as an intern and its where i want to be eventually