People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

and I imagine parking is metered there, not free, but that's still a considerable subsidy

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crazy world huh!

we're talking about meters where you get a $40 ticket if you feed for more than 2 hours that last until 8 PM, these things actually do generate a lot of revenue for the city of Boston

a lot of revenue =/= revenue you'd get at the market rate for parking. when parking meters can actually charge you the market rate for a space, you'll almost always be able to find a spot downtown. parking is hard in a neighborhood like that because it's too cheap.

in sf they're already doing this:
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-07-27/bay-area/21999181_1_sfpark-san-francisco-meters

Parking is hard in that neighborhood because at least 80% of it is resident-only, which will also get you a $40 ticket if you don't have a permit.

yeah they should get rid of that too

you are insane

you take a lot of things for granted w/ the way we parcel out public space!

I look forward to our glorious future when only fabulously wealthy people can afford to park anywhere.

maybe we'll find a reason to fund public transit if middle class people take it again

That actually makes a lot of sense. Poor people will have to pay more for parking so they'll have less money to spend on food and won't get so fat. Then the middle classes will get fatter since they'll be sitting twice as long on public transportation as they do in their cars. Then everything will be more equal.

"Then the middle classes will get fatter since they'll be sitting twice as long on public transportation as they do in their cars. "

citation needed

wk first on the beach boys thread now here, I feel like somebody just paid for a professional troll to follow me

amazing really

he's upset...about something...idk

I just want to say that here in Madison, WI, State Street, the major downtown thoroughfare, was turned from a four-lane street to pedestrian/bikes/buses only in 1974, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody here who wishes it had never been done. We don't park in front of the store, we park in a city garage as the good lord intended.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/nyregion/new-york-picks-alta-to-run-bike-share-program.html

it's gonna be great

tho I personally still don't feel like much of manhattan is safe enough to bike around.

sounds like utopia

i walked today

lol

"I can't wait to get run over on my borrowed bike!"

bikeshare programs are really fun actually, the problem is that manhattan has too many cars and nobody obeys basic traffic laws. I'll prob use it for long rides up morningside park.

it's cool cause you don't have to be 'a biker' who owns and lugs around a bike all day, instead you can just sorta decide to go on a bike ride on a whim.

minneapolis has these kiosks where you can rent bikes by the hour or pay a yearly subscription to get unlimited rides

it's called nice ride MN

https://www.niceridemn.org/

lol at these whiney baiting pix

https://www.niceridemn.org/_asset/vlfdi5/home_banner_2.jpg

https://www.niceridemn.org/_asset/631dwj/fall-sale-leaves-rhett2.jpg

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bikeshare programs are really fun actually, the problem is that manhattan has too many cars and nobody obeys basic traffic laws.

this is exactly why I am not participating in the Boston bikeshare program

deathshare

my deathshare resembles my lifeshare

I used to think Manhattan was way too dangerous to bike in, but I've been warming to the idea more recently. The "Summer Streets" program, where they close Park Ave to cars for Saturday mornings in August, has been kind of the gateway drug for me. It's so much fun biking around without the cars, but of course you have to brave some streets with cars to get to it. Then you begin to realize that the city has added a lot of bike lanes, which help somewhat, at least psychologically, even though people don't always respect the bike lanes and you have to go around a lot of parked cars. I still mostly stick to areas like the West Side Greenway and the Central Park loop, but I've gained more confidence that I won't be immediately killed by a car if I venture onto a street.

RIP o. nate

it's sad, he was on a bike

there are some okay spots to bike in manhattan, i wouldnt do it on the regular but its not a guarantee of death

Yeah, I regularly see these death-defying bikers, like delivery guys, swooping across multiple lanes of traffic, at night, going against traffic, etc. I'm the most timid biker ever compared to those guys.

a bikeshare program this big definitely forces cars to pay more attention - they don't really have a choice. but people are going to die, and it's gonna be in the news and be a 'thing'. (people already die, it just doens't make the news)

the death-defying bikers should get tickets (but so should like, half of the cars in manhattan at any given point)

biking in NYC seems to be the mt. everest of bike skills

like I'll talk to bikers and express concerns about how safe it is that they don't wear a helmet and they'll just say "I spent two years in new york" *bikes away while doing a handstand on the handlebars*

still, gonna use this a lot for fun park-type rides. the nice thing is they're not half-assing this...600 stations means they'll be super easy to find. it's crazy that this'll be here in a year.

I'm not sure how safe it is to bike around SF - lots of ppl do it - but I have two friends who have ended up breaking extremeties from getting tripped up by their tires getting stuck in train tracks.

safer than manhattan, I would imagine

trying to remember if minneapolis got ranked #1 biking city again this year or if those portland jerks took the trophy back

you can probably catch them if you put yr bikes in the back of yr pickup trucks

i have two friends that bike in SF all the time, they seem to love it, though you have to go the most roundabout ways to avoid the hills

haha yeah 'the wiggle'

I pulled a calf/leg muscle today getting up from my seat on the bus. I'm going to have to get a car now.

YOURE GOING TO GET SO FAT

actually max middle class people who switch from cars to public transit are the ones who get fat*

*source: census data 2010 (wk's make-believe world)

i hear if you move to the united states of newhampshire you turn from fat schlub into adonis

JOIN ME IN THE GLORIOUS UNITED STATES OF NEW HAMPSHIRE WHERE FAT IS UNKNOWN AND THE AIR IS ALWAYS CLEAR

why did we pick new hampshire and not vermont, again? isn't new hampshire filled w/ migrating libertarians?

new hampshire was on the infographic

oh yeah

glad i'm not moving to the wrong place! want that bod