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sorry "I love that we can model while were on cocaine"

caek, Thursday, 15 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

http://atomicspacejunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/acquiregame12.jpg

buzza, Thursday, 15 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

But I don't care. I expect to make enough money to be out of this business in a few years. I think I would like to go back to university. I have become very interested in the humanities and philosophy.

my friend used to work for a company that designed materials to help assuage successful businessmen about their guilt at having made huge amounts of money

it was a bunch of pseudophilosophical tracts that, when boiled down, said "yes, you DESERVED to make all that money! don't feel bad! if you like, give some to charity!"

dayo, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

that's amazing

iatee, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

haha you know him! you can ask T about it sometime

dayo, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

!

how would u even find such a company? do they leave brochures lying around hotels in st moritz

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

company reps on every 35th storey ledge in new york

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

I wish I could find the article, from the NYT I think, about a Ph.D. in math from Berkeley, a logician even, who took a quant job, made gobs of cash, fucked things up so that his company lost gobs of cash, quit, & ended up doing shark fishing in the Pacific, because it had the thrills to which he'd become accustomed on Wall Street.

Euler, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

article would be from the late 1990s I think

Euler, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

haha wow yeah I'm gonna I want to hear more xp

iatee, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

I might be misremembering but I think that's the thrust

I imagine this company was probably started by a successful businessman turned professional confessional

dayo, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure that article wasn't from the 90s cuz it would have been made into a major motion picture with cuba gooding jr in a supporting role

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

relevant to our interests here:

If Aristotle Ran General Motors: The New Soul of Business

written by a former Notre Dame philosophy prof who now is fantastically wealthy peddling this sorta stuff to the plutocrats

Euler, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

I've looked SO LONG for that article over the last few years (shark fishing quant I mean); I think I read a scan of it on a webpage in the 90s & now I can find nothing.

Euler, Thursday, 15 September 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

the monk who sold his ferrari kinda shite

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

have long pondered a book of common-sense negativity, provisional title 'feel the fear and cop the fuck on'

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Detective Superintendent Lee Neiles told the hearing: ‘Mr Birch had been redundant since September 2009 and had had difficulties in finding other means of employment, although the family were financially stable.’

god I *hate* the british use of the term 'redundant'. it's so callous.

iatee, Friday, 16 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

not in the british meaning, though

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

iykwim

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I guess I didn't think of that! but from an american's perspective it just sounds evil.

iatee, Friday, 16 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

here it's like 'you were bad at your job' or 'we can't afford you' but 'redundant' gives me a sense of 'you are unnecessary as a human being'

which means it probably was correctly used w/r/t to this banker, but outside of that...

iatee, Friday, 16 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

nobody rly uses redundant as a synonym for unemployed and 'laid off' is more often used instead of 'made redundant' in newspapers etc

i think it's just policemen and their strangely clunky phrasing, cf 'other means of employment' instead of 'a job'

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

'made redundant' still common terminology iirc, though there's subtle emp. law differences between the two i think

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

it is a shitty term tho, def

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

eh i dunno, it's quite useful as a means of conveying the right tone of contempt society ought to feel for the wastrel layabouts tbh

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Friday, 16 September 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

I have no problem w/redundant. It doesn't imply fault like 'fired' does. It implies that the employer doesn't have any meaningful/profitable work for you to do.

em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 16 September 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

that's awful

partistan (dayo), Friday, 16 September 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

this is typical police illiterately pretentious usage though. no one except a policeman would say "he has been redundant for a year". you get made redundant, and then you are unemployed. like how only police say "i was proceeding along oxford st" or "he asked myself how to get to piccadilly circus".

caek, Saturday, 17 September 2011 07:51 (twelve years ago) link

holler

is it shakeymostep? (cozen), Saturday, 17 September 2011 08:52 (twelve years ago) link

Redundant is only a little better than 'managed out'. Not by much.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 September 2011 08:59 (twelve years ago) link

further underscoring the impotency of the SEC

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/business/sec-official-in-madoff-case-may-draw-a-criminal-inquiry.html?_r=1

partistan (dayo), Saturday, 17 September 2011 11:40 (twelve years ago) link

ts your maddie vs our maddie

talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Saturday, 17 September 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

Adoboli (who, let me stress, has yet to enter a plea) was in exchange traded funds – which used to look like unit trusts, but have got increasingly complicated. One of the top market regulators, Mario Draghi, recently described ETFs as "reminiscent of what happened in the securitisation market before the crisis". Read that quote again: he's comparing them to sub-prime mortgages. Most of us should get very worried; rogue traders should go steaming in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/19/brain-food-ubs-kweku-adoboli/print

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Monday, 19 September 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/business/dodd-frank-act-is-a-target-on-gop-campaign-trail.html

Republicans say Dodd-Frank is the root of some of today’s economic problems. It has stopped banks from lending to “job creators,” they contend, and is a direct cause of high unemployment. “It created such uncertainty that the bankers, instead of making loans, pulled back,” said Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, speaking at a South Carolina rally over Labor Day weekend where he again called for the law’s repeal.

ahahahaha

hahahah

haha

...

*shoots self*

Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 10:27 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,788462,00.html

for this headline I am not against journalistic muckraking

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

Jérôme Kerviel, gambled away billions in 2010. He is still serving a three-year jail sentence.

p cool how you can lose billions and just do 3 years in a minimum security jail

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

that study sounds pretty weak but oh well i'm still always happy when people push the psychopath angle, cuz if there were a cultural and spiritual system that caused and possibly even mandated people who were not psychopaths to behave like psychopaths that system might benefit from review

the-dream in the witch house (difficult listening hour), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

never review ILM, please

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAWv9gV8Cxo&feature=related

Milton Parker, Monday, 26 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

yeesh

runaway (Matt P), Monday, 26 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha! they rule! literally.

scott seward, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

you would think they could afford better cameras

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

and thrones

runaway (Matt P), Monday, 26 September 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

they should throw blood diamonds at all the passing hippies.

scott seward, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

i'm no help cuz i kinda hate all the people involved. the cops, the fatcats, the hippies. they all need some billy club action.

scott seward, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

The Hibernian Express will shave six milliseconds off that time.
Of course, verifiable figures are elusive and estimates vary wildly, but it is claimed that a one millisecond advantage could be worth up to $100m (£63m) a year to the bottom line of a large hedge fund.

This is kind of the real plot of the latest William Gibson novel

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 26 September 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

A high-speed fibre network between London and Hong Kong could help decrease financial trading times

Financial traders and law firms are set to benefit from a new low-latency network between London and Hong Kong, which can conduct data on a round trip from Europe to Asia in around 176 milliseconds.

The cable network, run by UK-based trading technology company BSO Network Solutions, has been in place for some time, but previously had to route around large parts of Russia, due to difficulties laying fibre in that country.

However, a new lower latency and higher availability ‘Transit Mongolia’ connection has helped to reduce the time of a round trip by more than 20 milliseconds during the last 12 months. Improvements have also been made at BSO’s Ancotel point-of-presence (POP) in Frankfurt and Mega-I POP in Hong Kong.

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Ugh, and that's from a 2nd Cir. panel made up of a Clinton nominee and 2 Obama nominees.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link

I like District Court Judge Jed S. Rakoff based on that above link

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

yeah that opinion was a big deal when it came out.

₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

It's still getting talked about (and criticized)

The banks are all paying with other people’s money.” And a $285 million fine for a bank the size of Citigroup, he noted, is so small that it barely qualifies as a cost of doing business.
John C. Coffee Jr., a professor at Columbia Law School, called the ruling a “perfunctory” opinion and said it was a mystery to him why it took the court more than a year to write it. “An average law clerk could have drafted it in two days,” he said.

To my surprise, even prominent corporate defense lawyers who said they felt that Judge Rakoff had gone too far told me this week that they were troubled by the appeals court’s reasoning and its implications. (They didn’t want to be identified, since they litigate before the Second Circuit.)
So, with these comments in mind, I decided to don some imaginary judicial robes and write a dissent — the opinion that, in my view, the Second Circuit should have issued. (I’ve omitted all citations and footnotes, leaving those to my equally imaginary law clerks.)

...

As a matter of simple logic, Judge Rakoff’s position would seem to be unassailable. How can anyone decide a punishment is fair without knowing anything about what occurred?
That’s not to say that judges shouldn’t pay deference to the decision of the parties to settle and the terms they have agreed upon. The parties should have wide latitude to settle cases as they see fit. Courts should defer to the agencies they oversee, and shouldn’t substitute their own judgments for the agencies’. Nothing is inherently wrong with allowing defendants to settle while neither admitting nor denying the accusations, although that should never be used merely as an excuse to avoid trial and might be used too often. I note that the S.E.C. itself has since said it will try to curtail the practice in appropriate cases.
But neither should judges, as Judge Rakoff’s lawyer put it, be reduced to “potted plants.” To approve a settlement, judges need some facts. This court doesn’t have to decide how many are enough; that should be decided on a case-by-case basis. But I do note that in this instance, relatively few seem to be in dispute. The offering document prepared by Citigroup, which is at the center of the case, is a matter of record. It would seem relatively easy for Citigroup and the S.E.C. to stipulate to a set of facts sufficient to satisfy Judge Rakoff, especially since both seem eager to put this matter behind them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/business/rethinking-courts-reversal-of-sec-challenger.html?emc=edit_th_20140614&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=31119931&_r=0

curmudgeon, Saturday, 14 June 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link

Mr. Zucman estimates -- conservatively, in his view -- that $7.6 trillion -- 8 percent of the world's personal financial wealth -- is stashed in tax havens. If all of this illegally hidden money were properly recorded and taxed, global tax revenues would grow by more than $200 billion a year, he believes. And these numbers do not include much larger corporate tax avoidance, which usually follows the letter but hardly the spirit of the law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/opinion/a-piketty-proteges-theory-on-tax-havens.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

o. nate, Monday, 16 June 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/06/19-2

deregulation forever everywhere article

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 June 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link

WikiLeaked Doc Reveals Wall Street Plan for Global Financial Deregulation

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 June 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link

the correct reading of the chart is: "We have software that allows us to produce this chart."

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 30 June 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

Latest This American Life is pretty much essential listening.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:40 (nine years ago) link

heard that shit this weekend, finally this american life making me mad for other reasons than usual

owe me the shmoney (m bison), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 03:42 (nine years ago) link

I found myself really upset at what sniveling, spineless wimps the people who work for the NYFed sound like. And I slightly fell in love with Carmen Segarra.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link

Latest This American Life is pretty much essential listening.

I caught most of this while cooking supper over the weekend. I agree entirely. Was enraged by the jaw-dropping timidity of "Let's send Goldman Sachs a scolding letter; worst case is they ignore it." And the subsequent self-congratulation of "we fussed at them pretty good".

Aimless, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 05:10 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Very weird to me how Wells Fargo can get fined $185 million for opening fake bank accounts and issuing fake credit cards and the stock price basically doesn't budge. I realize that the $185 million itself is not a lot in the grand scheme of their earnings, but I would think the fake accounts part would matter. Maybe it's balanced out by their firing of 5300 employees -- wall street loves layoffs!

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 9 September 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link

vxx (etf based on volatility index) is shooting up today. Wonder if we're seeing the beginnings of a big fall selloff.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 9 September 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link

Yesterday’s Senate Banking Committee hearing on Wells Fargo should have ended with CEO John Stumpf hauled off in handcuffs. In a little over two hours, Stumpf revealed enough information, combined with what was already known in public records and filings, to make a powerful case for securities fraud. Specifically, that he touted fraudulent sales figures to investors as evidence of the bank’s growth, boosting the stock price and personally benefiting by $200 million. Worst of all, Stumpf used low-paid workers as the raw materials for this scheme, and as the scapegoats when it unraveled....

If the SEC and the Justice Department don’t get involved here, they might as well not even exist. CFPB’s Cordray and OCC’s Thomas Curry wouldn’t say whether they issued criminal referrals to law enforcement in this case, though Cordray hinted at it. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, if she wants to emerge from wherever she’s been hiding on this issue, has enough information to bring cases.

Will President Barack Obama’s administration end its tenure as it began, by refusing to prosecute systemic fraud in the financial markets? That’s the unavoidable conclusion so far.

https://newrepublic.com/article/136977/obama-administration-must-prosecute-wells-fargo

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link

saw some of Elizabeth Warren's leveling of Stumpf on CNN yesterday, kinda made me want to cheer at my cubicle in the big bank I work for

Dominique, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link

Obama's doing $34,000 a plate fundraising dinners and then imploring money to get out of politics a day later. Sure, it's good theater to watch Warren put him on the hotspot but she'd never publicly go after the person who could actually launch an investigation: Lynch has always been a stooge.

Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link

Wells Fargo has multiple ex-cabinet members on its Board. Get politics out of money is more like it.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link

the amount of money involved in this huge fraud.... 2.6 million dollars.

Gatemouth, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link

Does that include the lost wages for all of the people WFB threw under the bus?

schwantz, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link

5300 people * $50k per annum is $250MM.

Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link

Supposedly (according to the informational memo WF "helpfully" provided employees about this crisis) WF goes through 100k branch employees a year. I'm not sure how that was intended to reassure.. Branch employees (tellers, personal bankers, even sales managers) get treated like crap and not paid a living wage, yes, but that's an even larger issue than the small amount of people that were fired in connection with this.

Gatemouth, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link

I'm not even convinced that all of those layoffs were really due to "bad acting" tbh, given that their MO is to fire people after like two months if they don't meet their sales targets.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 17:08 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/the-cost-of-a-financial-transactions-tax-to-retirement-funds

Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz recently introduced a bill proposing a 0.1 percent tax on financial transactions. This means that when people trade a share of stock or a bond, they would pay a tax rate of 0.1 percent ($1 on $1,000), on their trades. According to the Congressional Budget Office, this tax can raise more than $80 billion a year in revenue, somewhat more than the entire annual budget for the food stamp program.

Not surprisingly, the financial industry doesn’t like the idea. It has argued that this tax would be a big hit to retirees and pension funds. While it is understandable that the industry would try to raise such fears to protect its profits, its claims have little basis in reality, as a bit of arithmetic can quickly show.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 April 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link

um yeah, pension funds and individual 401k holders are probably the least active traders. Not to mention that transaction costs are at all-time lows as it is.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link

it's free money to the tune of $80B/year and our political system is so in hock to finance that it won't pick the money up off the ground

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 April 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.trashberg.com/p/i-think-i-found-jamie-dimons-secret

Jamie Dimon is so boring his secret social media accounts aren’t even horny.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Matt Levine in top form today on the Archegos report:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-29/archegos-was-too-busy-for-margin-calls

Everything in the report is like this. This report is not a bunch of lawyers identifying a bunch of problems and characterizing them, in hindsight, as 'red flags.' Everyone saw all the problems here, evaluated them reasonably, came up with sensible solutions and then didn’t do them.

o. nate, Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:39 (two years ago) link


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