Weird, here in Australia it's staying on guardian.co.uk. They're obsessed with penetrating America for some reason, so maybe they're forcing an awful "international" site on you much like what BBC News does now.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, there's a US portal now. At least you're allowed to choose.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
US advertising money.
― Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 06:47 (twelve years ago) link
adblock plus tho innit
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link
Adblock plus is the best thing I ever did. I haven't put it on the work computer and the US ads on the Guardian site are 'this one weird old trick' but for car insurance or something.
― kinder, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
The AdBlock Element Hiding Helper extension (FF) is indispensable. It lets you hone in on annoying frames full of text ads, competitions, plugs for the site's other brands etc, and obliterate them completely.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
£1.20. I didn't buy it today.
― thomp, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
Was discussing the price rise in the pub with the missus tonight. Decided I would happily pay a subscription to the Guardian, providing it was hypothecated. Would happily pay £500 per year providing it went toward a salary for Nick Davies, Nancy B-S, Larry Elliott, Veronica Horwell, Barney Ronay, even Polly T. Would not want a penny going to, eg, Hadley Freeman, Tim Dowling, etc etc.
― Stevie T, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
hadley freeman is offensively trite and a woefully muddled writer, plus how do you pay a fashion columnist who apparently hates fashion?
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/mobile/guardian-kindle-edition
UK: £9.99/month, £0.99/issueUS: $9.99/month, $0.75/issueRest of world: US$17.99/month, US$1.99/issue
Undelines the Guardian's play at the US market. Hoping the ipad app won't have this sort of ridiculous structure but not confident tbh.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
I bought it today. I had to root around in my pocket for a 20p piece, which was an awful thing to have to do.
― thomp, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
Why are you guys reading Hadley Freeman's fashion column in the first place?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link
i remember the arguments in the letter pages when it went up from 50 to 55p
― koogs, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 09:36 (twelve years ago) link
hadley freeman's written some great pieces of late. the one on nafissatou diallo, the dolly parton interview, the like a prayer post. also i'd think it fairly obvious from her fashion column that she likes fashion but thinks the fashion industry can be silly-going-on-appalling, which...is how most journalists think about their particular fields tbh.
larry elliott? just another economics writer who keeps the subject as clear as mud for me.
― i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 09:40 (twelve years ago) link
Never read her once write a positive article about fashion. As for why i'm reading her articles, cos I browse the guardian and have 5 mins to spare, and cos I am interested in fashion, but please teach me to use every living moment joyously oh zen time recyclers.
I don't think it's crazy to expect a fashion writer not to just drone on about some standard guardian fear of pretension week in week out in awful ott prose.
"if you don't like it don't read it" is seriously one of the biggest Internet cop outs ever.
I didn't start a campaign about it I just agreed with a post and added three lines!
It's a big world of words each day, bound to be some you disagree with.
Ps: I ate a salad while typing this and listened to a record, carpe diem!!!
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
i like reading hadley freeman because it means every week or two i can mention something and people go WHAT, YOU FOLLOW FASHION
this probably won't work if i start hanging around with actual fashionable people ever
― thomp, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:19 (twelve years ago) link
how do you pay a fashion columnist who apparently hates fashion?
I assume they're trying to pull a Matthew Norman style diary-thats-not-a-diary (except it's not as good).
I used to think Hadley Freeman was pretty weak writer, but at least compared with some of their recent web-only hacks, she's fine. She also seems to be one of the few G2 writers who hasn't decided to turn into an ineffectualy swearing-only version of Charlie Brooker.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:26 (twelve years ago) link
I love it when LG gets all pissy and defensive.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
It's funny because I think this has been a banner year for the Guardian, it's been fantastic, even if the lifestyle stuff that gets highlighted in this thread getting worse and worse, I dunno, it's clearly not aimed at me so why bother? It'd be like making a call on the state of the BBC based on an episode of Bargain Hunt I happened to catch.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
but matt the point isn't what's in the guardian or what the guardian has done, it's bitching about the guardian, and if you have to rake over the designed-to-be-throwaway bits or loftily snip at a writer that you read half a piece by once, four years ago, then so be it!
― i asked for "HALF" a glass of wine, because i am TEMPERENT (lex pretend), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:04 (twelve years ago) link
yes but they just raised their price by 20p lex
― thomp, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
i assume that means you are being paid 20% more per word
― thomp, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
In fairness I read and bitch about so many politics/football/music writers I dislike and disagree with, so I'd never say 'if you don't like it don't read it', but at least those are vaguely aimed at me.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
I wasn't being defensive in the slightest, I was having a laugh. "if you don't like it don't read it" followed by let's have a "who is being defensive" contest, it's like an Internet argument course here.
Coupled with "why do you care", well as I said, I don't, massively, but you thought my ridiculing that question was being defensive...
As for lex, some wild assertions there, I read the guardian every day actually.
All this over three lines, Jesus.
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
it's like an Internet argument course here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
― Joe Romeo, Concerned New Yorker (stevie), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
You read the Guardian every day and then post all this stuff on this thread?! Dear Lord, you're like a fashion writer who hates fashion! Except you're not getting paid for it ho ho.
― Alba, Thursday, 22 September 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
Would be worse if I was!
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Thursday, 22 September 2011 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
But now you posted here you're stuck in the game too.
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Thursday, 22 September 2011 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
i like reading the web only hacks actually
― Gary Numan, or Gary Fletcher (ken c), Thursday, 22 September 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
gives me hope to see people without writing skills can still get published. i can still dream that maybe one day i can play in a football team.
― Gary Numan, or Gary Fletcher (ken c), Thursday, 22 September 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but the web-only guys are the equivalent of those dudes who make up the majority of Masters teams who you don't remember
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 September 2011 12:22 (twelve years ago) link
Making some big claims based on one (crap) episode of a tv showhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/sep/22/last-nights-tv-220911?newsfeed=true
― Number None, Friday, 23 September 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
"pseudo-punk", stopped reading when I got to this.
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
Accurate though isn't it? Or do you object to all uses of "pseudo"?
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 23 September 2011 08:41 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sure Fresh Meat is fucking awful but so's the word "pseudo" espesh if u use it re: punk
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 September 2011 08:42 (twelve years ago) link
Dunno, that whole "we used to love the rolling stones and the faces, but since they are out of fash, we got spiky haircuts" phase sort of defines "pseudo-punk". (you can stop reading now)
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it's exactly what the character of Vivian is.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 23 September 2011 08:52 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, I have read the article now. Dude didn't like the Young Ones oh woe is him.
No, I was replying to NV about the "pseudo-punk" angle, not all uses are wrong. That article certainly is.
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 08:57 (twelve years ago) link
If Vyvian is a pseudo-punk on the grounds of Ade Edmundson was not actually a punk himself (untrue), then "The Queen" as played by Helen Mirren is a pseudo-QueenofEngland.
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 08:59 (twelve years ago) link
Hang on, "Fresh Meat" had a femidom joke? They don't even make them anymore!
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
punk is arguably a "pseudo" genre. making claims for an authentic punk is a bit ridiculous given the circumstances.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 September 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
True. Most (if not all but the very young) of the original punk bands sacked their covers of the Stones/(Small)Faces once they got going.
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 09:05 (twelve years ago) link
i kept waiting for the bit where that article would cleverly undercut its fulsomeness, perhaps with the sentence fragment "IN OPPOSITE LAND"
― civilisation and its discotheques (c sharp major), Friday, 23 September 2011 09:09 (twelve years ago) link
First episode of Fresh Meat was pretty funny actually. Some of the characters are very obviously funnier than others but the whole thing has potential.
"I want it to go dark" is the lame comedy hack's answer to everything. Surely we had enough "going dark" in the 00s?
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2011 10:57 (twelve years ago) link
enough going dark forever. there's not much dark about being a student.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 September 2011 11:02 (twelve years ago) link
It's pretty dark as it is though, any further and it would start to lurch into Nighty Night territory.
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2011 11:06 (twelve years ago) link
I bought the Guardian today.
Because I want to support the paper, at least a bit.
I went into a newsagent and the old fellow said: '£1.20 - new price'.
I counted out numerous coppers.
His presumed grandson counted them in, as though preparing to take over the shop one day, as he always does.
― the pinefox, Friday, 23 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― caek, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Amanda Knox and her former Italian boyfriend
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Sunday, 2 October 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, he's not italian any more!
― Mark G, Monday, 3 October 2011 10:24 (twelve years ago) link