Drugs, Murder and Mexico

The could have a countdown clock.

all the little cows that will never be born is who im worried abt

guess my point is that 'moral stands' that are super easy to make have little to no real world impact and are enthusiastically deployed to cast others in a harsh light are prob not really moral, theyre more 'entertainment'

if my personal contribution to (current global disaster scenario x) makes no difference (tragedy of the commons etc), isn't taking a moral stand more likely to have a real world impact - if you manage to persuade someone that x is bad, and they stop xing and maybe start taking a public stand themselves, and persuade someone else, etc...

the thing is altering their individual purchasing habits will prob not help the problem at all

idk. Cocaine is a social drug. If there was a concerted push to change the way it is viewed in a social context, that might start to have an impact on consumption. It won't solve all the problems but demand is as important as supply in tackling the issue.

It's unrealistic to imagine that everyone's going to stop doing it but, at the very least, people need to be made aware of the issues.

no i actually think advocacy is one of the most important things we can do for issues we find important, i guess its maybe personally i find a lot of overtly moralistic arguments surrounding consumption p small minded and unconvincing, particularly re drugs iirc the 'dont do drugs' tact has been tried a lil bit in the past

cocine is an interesting one cause its really really more than other comparable things a policy issue, unlike producing meat theres no reason why any being particularly has to suffer to create cocaine

xp Is it the same people with a different message, though?

This seems to be coming from a different place - particularly given that the solution anti-coke people usually come up with is legalisation.

tbf calling yr congressman once prob will have most irl impact than not doing coke, of course most people not doing coke on moral grounds prob just dont want to do coke

what if everyone who doesn't do coke says they'll get behind it and start using their share once its ethically sourced, cf the spike in people eating their five a day on account of smoothies

xp, A political solution's the only long-term end but a reduction in social acceptability / demand is the best we can hope for at the moment.

I know a few people who stopped doing coke for this reason.

just say lol

if everyone just learned how to get high off superiority we could end the drug problem right here right now

morality and the globalized consumer landscape

man I'm so w/deej here on a lot of this stuff it's not even funny

ppl who are always griefing about "oh no, self-righteousness, what could be worse than self-rightousness" are 10,000x worse than people who're trying to spread some good either through discussion or action and who come off a little self-righteous - worrying about whether somebody comes off wrong in the pursuit of good is like complaining that the person who helped raise a barn was wearing the wrong kind of shoes

barns are v. inefficient living spaces

j0hn we have a new thread morality and the globalized consumer landscape totally ready for some self righteous jerks to post inside of

no iatee I meant barn in the swedish sense of the word, my bad

barns are v. inefficient living spaces

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yeah except I don't think anyone is going to quit doing coke because they didn't consider what the source was

I mean you can condescend on people who drive SUVs or eat too much red meat or whatever, the point is the change really has to come at a larger level so this discussion is kinda useless

it's condescend to

lol

yeah I don't know what I was thinking there

this thread makes me want to barf like 800x over

cosigh

good point you guys

I'm contemptuous of the smug entitlement to euphoria of many first-world cocaine users but i think the desire for said euphoria is pretty ubiquitous and I'm equally contemptuous of the patriarchal desire to forbid something as simple to grow and make as cocaine; the forbidding is what has jacked the price and that's more the root of the evil as anything else.

good point you guys
no really, thank you.

oh come on there's a little enjoyment to be had in the fact that a thread about drugs turned into a 200 post stoned dorm room bullshit marathon with two guys talking past each other for hours at like 2 am.

i think the whole "well i'm suspicious about the motives and/or superiority complex of anti-drug/anti-drug violence crusaders and also most of you guys eat cow" is an interesting way to analyze in terms of human psychology but i'm also suspicious of that argument being used as a method to distract from the points being raised, cf. al gore warning about climate change and right-wingers pointing the finger at his private jet and all "btw didn't you claim to invent the internet?" most def the history of anti-drug (and alcohol) movements are filled with puritanical and iron-fisted creeps who like to feel morally superior so it's an understandable take. i agree w/ aerosmith's second-to-last post, basically.

barns are v. inefficient living spaces

So anthropocentric!

Maybe we shoud give the cocaine to the cows. How does that parse ethically?

Like, would you eat veal if you knew that cow had been high to the gills his entire life?

And would you eat a cow that had gills. ~think about it~

oh come on there's a little enjoyment to be had in the fact that a thread about drugs turned into a 200 post stoned dorm room bullshit marathon with two guys talking past each other for hours at like 2 am.

nope, sorry -- sounds more like a symptom of the problem more than anything else. way to get distracted. at least i can honestly say that i have contacted a legislator directly about this issue and raised awareness. i am not a morally superior puritan or an iron-fisted creep btw.

xp You prob already are, don't tomatoes already have fish DNA in them?

I'm contemptuous of the smug entitlement to euphoria of many first-world cocaine users but i think the desire for said euphoria is pretty ubiquitous and I'm equally contemptuous of the patriarchal desire to forbid something as simple to grow and make as cocaine; the forbidding is what has jacked the price and that's more the root of the evil as anything else.

bingo bingo gringo

i think the whole "well i'm suspicious about the motives and/or superiority complex of anti-drug/anti-drug violence crusaders and also most of you guys eat cow" is an interesting way to analyze in terms of human psychology but i'm also suspicious of that argument being used as a method to distract from the points being raised, cf. al gore warning about climate change and right-wingers pointing the finger at his private jet and all "btw didn't you claim to invent the internet?" most def the history of anti-drug (and alcohol) movements are filled with puritanical and iron-fisted creeps who like to feel morally superior so it's an understandable take. i agree w/ aerosmith's second-to-last post, basically.

al gore's kinda dipshit when it comes to this stuff, tbh. ~pr matters~ and he knew that enough to...make a movie. now that he's the public face of something - which was entirely voluntary - of course he's going to be the easiest person to call out for hypocrisy. if you want to be the world's spokesperson w/r/t global warming, you should probably play the part.

i think accusing folks who feel certain ways about drugs of wanting to feel morally superior is a pretty nice political tactic but doesn't really change the core issue.

you see my point though xp

the lesson here is grow your own drugs

I'm contemptuous of the smug entitlement to euphoria of many first-world cocaine users

I think this has been pointed out before but it's really not their fault the whole industry is so corrupt and violent.

'our fault' you mean?

that's some serious razzle dazzle iatee

are all of your racist outbreaks just cocaine binges?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/popcorn_2.gif

btw,

http://www.thestranger.com/binary/98a1/Feature1-570.jpg

It rots your flesh!

cool now i dont have to worry abt worms

THAT is an excellent reason not to do blow

just snort levamisole directly, it doesn't support murder and gets you equally fucked up